Taiyo Yuden, A Bad Batch?

[slacker]

Tom Saurus,

Are you using TY -R or +R? The reason I am asking is because occasionally my dvd burner will hang at the end of the 2nd burn using -R, but never with +R. And if I reboot my computer the NEXT burn will go through fine. The 1st burn always goes through fine.

[Tom Saurus]

Slacker: The Taiyo Yudens that I purchase are +R. I was adviced to use +R because they are considered to be slightly better than the -R's.

[slacker]

Next question...
Are they the TY 8x Made In Japan +Rs? Or the new 16x +Rs?

[Tom Saurus]

Slacker: They are geniune Taiyo Yuden 8x DVD+Rs. I buy them a blankmedia.ca. There are 100 blank DVD+Rs wrapped in tape wrap. After taxes and shipping and handling it works out to 70 cents per disc.

[slacker]

I purchase the MADE IN JAPAN 100 Pack Taiyo Yuden (DVD+R47SPYSB8) 8X DVD+R 4.7GB Silver Inkjet Printable Blank Media on Spindle, $0.42 Each from either supermediastore.com or meritline.com and have never had a failed burn in 300 burns. I can't find that code on the blankmedia.ca web site nor is there any reference to where the disks are made, i.e. Japan, Taiwan, Singapore. How can you be sure you are getting the best ones?

[Tom Saurus]

Slacker: Here is a link to the exact brand of DVD's that I have been purchasing.

http://blankmedia.ca/proddetail3.asp?id=362

I am pretty confident that they are geniune Taiyo Yudens.

[Tom Saurus]

Something new and strange happened while burning a DVD tonight. I burned a DVD and it verifyed and the program said it was completed successfully; yet the computer wouldn't play it and indicated that it had 0 bytes. It plays all right in the DVD player. Imagburn burns and verifys it, but yet says that the disc is incomplete when one loads it back in. The other ISO's I burned turned out okay. This is very strange indeed.

[Dr. DOS]

Tom... stupid question ---- are you making sure you are turning off Anydvd or other type programs that could be taking control of the drive?

I've had bad burns in the past when I have neglected to turn off AnyDVD before turning to my burning app.

[mike1061]

Restarting the computer before burning clears out the memory, and shuts down all programs. When it re-boots only programs set to run on start up open. If you close them, you have nothing running, this allows all the computer and memory to be used for burning exclusivly. Open only the program you need.
It is quite possable you have spyware running on your computer, if it is the same computer you access the internet with. Re-booting will close lots of those programs, because they are set to open when you access the internet (yes, I know, that's not true for all). If your settings in Nero are set to look for updates, check for songs titles, or look for cover art, you have accessed the internet, and the spyware opens, and uses memory, and will increase the likelyhood of a burn failure.
Lastly, I have seen the dark purple ring on the burn side of the disk. I can't remember how I got around it, but it was one of these two things. Slow the burn speed, or toss the disks. That's what did if for me.
Thanks Mike

[bbanderic]

I use Tayo Yuden 8x DVD+R's for burning data or movies to. I use ImagBurn 2.1.0.0. to build ISO files and then to write them. I have Burn Proof and Verify turned on. Lately I am getting a fair number of discs that are not verifying. I usually see a band around the underside of the disc that stands out from the rest of the surface and I assume that is where the flaw is. When a disc doesn't veryify after it has burned I throw it out.

I assume you have video_ts files on your hard drive, why not burn them straight to disc with ImgBurn. Your not hurting anything by converting the video_ts files to ISO but you're adding an extra step that's unnecessary IMO.

The band around the underside of the burned disc that stands out from the rest of the surface sounds like you're burning at a high speed, 8X. If you're using an NEC 3500, which is an older burner, I would burn these discs at no higher than 4X, this should eliminate "the band" issue, with 4X being a steady burn speed rather than the variable speed of 8X or higher.

[Tom Saurus]

Dr. DOS: Thank you for your input. I don't have AnyDVD installed on my computer. I have WinDVD for playing DVDs. I have set the DVD Drive to "Take No Action" when a DVD in put into the drive. I was thinking about when the drive cycles the tray right after burning before the verify stage and some program trying to kick in. I hope nothing is trying to kick in.

mike1061: I have done some scans with Spybot and haven't detected any spyware. Nothing shows up in Windows Defender when it does a full system scan. When I do a full system scan with McCafee nothing shows up. I even did an online scan and nothing showed up. Thank you for your input. I might have a trojan on this system somewhere, despite all the programs not indicating a problem. My Internet Speed has dropped from 120 mbs to 29mbs, and my ISP says it is probably a trojan or something in my computer to blame or that the telephone company needs to check the lines. We pay a thing called "Wire Care" where if there is a problem with the lines inside the house the telephone company is suppose to fix it. We have paid into it for five years. I asked if they could send someone out, and I was told it was probably my computer at fault or my ISP. So I have just accepted the situation for the moment. I think I will insist they send someone out if my new computer has slow download speeds as well. Thank you for your input.

bbanderic: I like to watch how ImagBurn builds an ISO file, it is rather neat to see it working away. Besides I like how I can add my custom Volume Labels to identify discs. I sometimes change the Volume label if I am burning a DVD for a friend and just put the name of the movie, year and rating for his discs. But for my own I have my own way of organizing by assigning a number to them.

I agree with you burning at a higher speed seems to cause banding. I used to burn always at 4x, but then once the problems with my burner started I decided to try burning at 8x and for some reason I had better success doing so. Today has been a bad day for burning, I had 3 to 4 times as many failures as successes. I thought turning the computer off and restarting was something that was fixing things, or helping but it just really confusing.

These are supposedly the best DVD's on the market and I have alot of faith in them. I won't know for sure until I get my new computer, and testing them out with my Pioneer Burner if I am getting several bad batches or whether my computer or the Nec Burner is at fault.

Thank you for your input.

[jman98]

Tom - Rather that use ImgBurn to make ISOs, consider using PgcEdit. PgcEdit enforces 32K gaps between BUPs and IFOs. I have no idea at if ImgBurn does this. Take a look at:
http://www.digital-digest.com/~blutach/pgcedit_guide/burning_with_pgcedit/burning_with...pgcedit_v2.htm
and scroll down to the bottom to read about why you should care about this.

[bbanderic]

Tom - Rather that use ImgBurn to make ISOs, consider using PgcEdit. PgcEdit enforces 32K gaps between BUPs and IFOs. I have no idea at if ImgBurn does this. Take a look at:
http://www.digital-digest.com/~blutach/pgcedit_guide/burning_with_pgcedit/burning_with...pgcedit_v2.htm
and scroll down to the bottom to read about why you should care about this.

ImgBurn does indeed enforce the 32K gaps in "build" mode when both creating ISO's and burning the video_ts files straight to disc.