Help making SMOOTH SVCD

[Nexzus]

Need a little help here...

(1) Been making VCDs from DVD rip and VHS captures for 6 months with no problems and great results - thanx to VCDHelp.com

(2) Started trading for SVCDs, they look FANTASTIC on my DVD player.

(3) Any SVCDs I make don't play smooth. Actually they play better on my PC but are somewhat jumpy/jittery on my DVD player. But only when there is any real motion (doesn't have to be fast). Close-ups of characters talking are fine.

Here's how I'm authoring my SVCDs:
(a) SmartRipper - default settings
(b) DVD2AVI - default settings
(c) TMPGEnc - SVCD NTSC template
(d) Change SVCD settings:
"Motion Precision Search" = "High Quality (slow)"
"Rate Control Mode" = "2 Pass VBR"
Use VCDHelp bitrate calc to figure Average and Max bitrate, then enter into TMPGEnc settings
(e) Encode and wait (and wait some more)
(d) Burn with VCDEasy.

Any ideas?? Anyone??

[stinkysam]

your bitrates may be too high - and I actually never tried using vbr on an SVCD. The SVCD spec says around 2500 CBR max, which stinks cuz the quality isn't as good as I'd like. I tried to make one at 6000 and it was so choppy it didn't play consistently, at 4000 it was really choppy, at 3000 it was still choppy, but much less so. Only when I used 2500 did it play. Hope this helps!

[The Jackal]

HAVE A GO AT USING DVD2SVCD IN CONJUNCTION WITH CINEMA CRAFT ENCODER SE. RUN IT AT 2 PASS. THE QUALITY IS AMAZING NOT FAR OFF DVD QUALITY.

[TheeeGod 3]

if you have a fast machine and are willing to wait for a bit try cce with 4 pass and a bitrate of 2600.....u will be surprised how great the mivie looks in comparison to tmpeg.

[spidey]

Your problem I'm sure is you've exceeded the DVD players bitrate capacity.

ie 2550 max vbr vid stream + 224 stereo aud stream = 2774 kbps

Check in your DVD players spec's Some cap out at like 2600 (I believe mine does it's a Pioneer) That gives you jumpy playback when it's got too much to handle. Assuming it is capable of playing SVCD's to begin with.

[bewley]

Actually, I don't think the problem is bit rate related -- if you are using a calculator to compute both average and max, I would think the bit rate is cool.

When you use DVD2AVI, are you using Force Film? If you are this is a good thing -- the resulting ouput file is not 23.976 and you have 20% less frames to compress which means better quality.

HOWEVER, if you are using Force Film then do NOT use the standard SVCD (NTSC) template! You must use the SVCD (NTSCFilm) template as it applies 3:2 Pulldown when encoding (or run PULLDOWN.EXE after encode).

If you are NOT using Force Film in DVD2AVI, then it sounds like you have a field order issue. On the Advanced tab, try changing the field order to "Top field first" (or vice-versa) and re-encode.

Good luck,

[bewley]

D'oh!

"When you use DVD2AVI, are you using Force Film? If you are this is a good thing -- the resulting ouput file is now 23.976 and you have 20% less frames to compress which means better quality. "

Sorry about the typo!

[thxkid]

try your SVCD's in other DVD players the Daewoo5700 I have will go from 1800 bitrate to 6000 bitrate with perfect results.

Apex 660 1800 to 3000
Apex 600a 1800 to 3500

Anything under 1800 is way under sub par picture quality, I find I don't really like anything under 2200. Also try using the 99min. CD-R's to strecth your time on a disc, providing your burner will burn these disc.
I find using TMPGE is way to slow for encoding SVCD's I use a Hardware encoder card so I get MPEG2 SVCD ready video on the fly, no waiting around for any encoding and these cards are down to $129 with most around $199 now.

[Mirror_Image]

Nexzus: What Make and model is your player?