Warez & Cracks

[Marco33]

Warez & Cracks are not permited yet, we have hacks for dvd players.

Thought that was odd.

[Conquest10]

not really.

[Marco33]

not really.

So, if I hacked my player and called SONY and told them, they would be ok with that.

The reigon code is there for a reason. To stop people from playing DVD's from other regions.

That's illegal. Your not supposed to do that.

[housepig]

have to agree with Gumby (dammit)...

the difference is that you didn't download a dvd player, you had to go and buy it, or acquire it in some fashion.

Warez & cracks are means of acquiring and using something you don't want to pay for.

Dvd player hacks are for getting more functionality from gear that you did pay for.

the computer equivalent would be overclocking your computer - the abilities are there, whether the manufacturer wants to give them to you or not.

does it seem less strange to you now?

- housepig

[housepig]

The reigon code is there for a reason. To stop people from playing DVD's from other regions.

That's illegal. Your not supposed to do that.

No, the region code is a distribution control mechanism, to discourage the importing of a dvd into a region where the movie is still in theatrical first-run release.

As for it being illegal - where? How is that illegal? That's like saying if a book is printed in french for sale in France, even though I read French, I shouldn't import the book, because it's "coded for a different region".

- housepig

[housepig]

So, if I hacked my player and called SONY and told them, they would be ok with that.

Further, Sony is not going to care... they got your money for the player.

Many companies will basically ignore or tacitly support the hacking of their hardware and systems... look at Lego. Their Mindstorms line of products was a bust, until people started hacking the control software to make it do different things. As long as no one is selling the hacks (they remain freeware) and noone abuses the Lego logos, they turn a blind eye to it.

At the level this stuff goes on, Sony is not going to care... if several MILLION customers start hacking their players, Sony might come out with a new one with the features pre-enabled... that's called "responding to the demands of the market".

- housepig

[Marco33]

have to agree with Gumby (dammit)...

the difference is that you didn't download a dvd player, you had to go and buy it, or acquire it in some fashion.

Warez & cracks are means of acquiring and using something you don't want to pay for.

Dvd player hacks are for getting more functionality from gear that you did pay for.

the computer equivalent would be overclocking your computer - the abilities are there, whether the manufacturer wants to give them to you or not.

does it seem less strange to you now?

- housepig

You didn't pay for a reigon free dvd player.

[Marco33]

The reigon code is there for a reason. To stop people from playing DVD's from other regions.

That's illegal. Your not supposed to do that.

No, the region code is a distribution control mechanism, to discourage the importing of a dvd into a region where the movie is still in theatrical first-run release.

As for it being illegal - where? How is that illegal? That's like saying if a book is printed in french for sale in France, even though I read French, I shouldn't import the book, because it's "coded for a different region".

- housepig

You answered your own question.

the region code is a distribution control mechanism, to discourage the importing of a dvd into a region where the movie is still in theatrical first-run release.

You hack your machine so you can see movies you are NOT intended to see.

[Marco33]

So, if I hacked my player and called SONY and told them, they would be ok with that.

Further, Sony is not going to care... they got your money for the player.

Many companies will basically ignore or tacitly support the hacking of their hardware and systems... look at Lego. Their Mindstorms line of products was a bust, until people started hacking the control software to make it do different things. As long as no one is selling the hacks (they remain freeware) and noone abuses the Lego logos, they turn a blind eye to it.

At the level this stuff goes on, Sony is not going to care... if several MILLION customers start hacking their players, Sony might come out with a new one with the features pre-enabled... that's called "responding to the demands of the market".

- housepig

Ok, maybe SONY wouln't care.

What about the movie companies.

If they wanted you to see it they would release it in your region.




Just think it's odd.

[jeex]

hacking your dvd player to be region free is not illegal.

they have region free dvd players on the international space station.

i purchased season 1 & 2 of futurama dvd's from the UK, my dvd player would not play them, so i installed a firmware upgrade so that i could watch them.

i paid for the r2 dvd's, i paid for the dvd player, i paid for the cd-r i used to do the firmware upgrade with, & the firmware was free.

[ChrisX]

not really.

So, if I hacked my player and called SONY and told them, they would be ok with that.

The reigon code is there for a reason. To stop people from playing DVD's from other regions.

That's illegal. Your not supposed to do that.

It's not illegal to have a non-region coded DVD player, in fact I purchased a player from a shop as multi-region. That's allowed in Australia.

I think the region codes are ridiculous and unworkable. I've been in the US number of times and what is stopping me importing DVD's.

As far as I am aware selling a Region 1 DVD in a store is illegal in Australia and not illegal for me to order one from the US.

[minchjp]

I rang up AKAI support and asked them for a hack to make my DVD player region free, also my Voxson came with a piece of paper that told you how to make it region free. (Obvously this stuff is legal in Australia)

[pacmania_2001]

In Australia the ACCC (consumer watchdog group) ruled that region-coding was illegal, therefore the 'hacking' of it was a perfectly legal practice.

They also have ruled a number of various other things legal such as mod chips.

[IceFog]

Just because you are not "intended" to be able to watch DVDs from othe regions does not make it illegal. Does it bother you that you are so subservient to corporate interests that you believe any demand they make of you is somehow backed up by law?

[Marco33]

I never said I was totaly for or against it.

But, since everyone seems to be for it...

I was taking the other view.

I'm very much into upsetting the apple cart. Going against the norm. Seeing the case from both sides no matter what my own view is.

Maybe we have gotten so used to stealing that we DON'T think it should be an issue.

I'm not preaching so we can get Warez or Cracks on this site. I don't see a need for it here. But we are NOT ok with terms like Warez or Cracks. So when I saw dvd HACKS. I though that word fell under the same set.

Like I said.

It's odd.

[drewson99]

@ jeex

I keep looking for that motherboard in your computer specs, where did you buy it?

[spiderman2k1]

This hole region thing is stupit. You do not even have to hack your DVD player to play a DVD over sea's. Let's say I buy a DVD from the UK and i live in the USA I can not play this UK DVD. So I would rip it and make it region and use some thing like DVD2ONE or IC7 or DVDXCOPY I feel if I pay for it and do not make any money and do not give to to people that want tit for free I should be able to do what ever I want with it. And I do not care if some big wig in washington pass's a law saying I can not do that. So If I only use it for my self and do not make any money and do not give it to any one it's my right to do with it as I please. In the USA in the store's they sell DVDXCOPY for $100.00 dollar's you can just walk in and buy DVDXCOPY of the shelf. and I can use infoedit to make it region free.

[energy80s]

That's assuming that copying your DVD is legal in the first place (which in the UK it isn't!). It's just the same with audio CD's. If you buy a CD for home use and want a cassette copy to use in your car, then legally you MUST buy another copy. All this "backing up" business is only relevant to computer software, not to audio visual material.

[Gazorgan]

It's all about $$$$ . I routinely have a DVD of a movie in the US, before the movie is in the theaters in Norway. What's wrong with this picture? I can buy a DVD player for any region I want, in fact I can have a region 2 disk and a region 2 player, perfectly legal in the states. Why should I have 6 players instead of one?

[housepig]

I'm not preaching so we can get Warez or Cracks on this site. I don't see a need for it here. But we are NOT ok with terms like Warez or Cracks. So when I saw dvd HACKS. I though that word fell under the same set.

That's corruption of terms. Hacking has been equated with cracking and warez distribution, when it's original context was non-malicious exploration and tweaking of hardware and software.

As far as the region-free debate, you are confusing matters of law with the desires of the movie industry.

- housepig

[Marco33]

That's corruption of terms. Hacking has been equated with cracking and warez distribution, when it's original context was non-malicious exploration and tweaking of hardware and software.


So if I donwnload a trial version of Photoshop and Hack it so it's not a trial version that's ok... as long as I don't crack it. Those word can all be grouped together.

See how fast the moderator gets on you if you ask for a hack for photo shop.

It is malicious, your (anybody) intent is to be able to buy a cheap reigon X dvd and play it on your hacked player. That's working beyond the rules at the loss of others to further your own agenda.

As far as the region-free debate, you are confusing matters of law with the desires of the movie industry.

It's there (the reigon code). Someone put it there for a reason. I was speculating who put it there. Doesn't really matter who. My point is not who... just that it's there. If you feel it's one or the other... fine.

[Faceman101]

That's corruption of terms. Hacking has been equated with cracking and warez distribution, when it's original context was non-malicious exploration and tweaking of hardware and software.


So if I donwnload a trial version of Photoshop and Hack it so it's not a trial version that's ok... as long as I don't crack it. Those word can all be grouped together.

See how fast the moderator gets on you if you ask for a hack for photo shop.

It is malicious, your (anybody) intent is to be able to buy a cheap reigon X dvd and play it on your hacked player. That's working beyond the rules at the loss of others to further your own agenda.

As far as the region-free debate, you are confusing matters of law with the desires of the movie industry.

It's there (the reigon code). Someone put it there for a reason. I was speculating who put it there. Doesn't really matter who. My point is not who... just that it's there. If you feel it's one or the other... fine.

If a player has a firmware upgrade or a region free loophole where is the problem? None. It's the movie companies that do not want this. Other companies give into that pressure.

Cracking a trial of Photoshop is illegal and you know that. Stop bringing up false points just for the sake of argument. You are just asking for one with no real grounds of a valid discussion.

[Marco33]

If a player has a firmware upgrade or a region free loophole where is the problem? None. It's the movie companies that do not want this. Other companies give into that pressure.

I NEVER said I had a problem with it. Just giving the other view.

I think it's also odd that you use the word loophole. Knowing full well that you have found a way around the rules to do something you know you are not supposed to do. If you were... you would not use the term (loophole).

Cracking a trial of Photoshop is illegal and you know that. Stop bringing up false points just for the sake of argument. You are just asking for one with no real grounds of a valid discussion.

Yet, here you are discussing it.

[eatin sammiches for lunch]

Warez & Cracks are not permited yet, we have hacks for dvd players.

Thought that was odd.

Look at it this way it doesnt matter if crackz and wares were legal....if this were your board u can make any rules u wanted and do as u please.

regardless if cracks and warez were legal or not if they are not wanted here by the administrators u would have to abide by the forum rules if u wanted to stay on the forum. and warez and cracks are prohibited here, thats just the rules...illegal or not!

if u want a forum with crackz and warez I suggest u create your own!

[fingernailX]

Marco33

I have to agree with you. Hacks versus cracks and warez are just different shades of gray. If a MPAA lawyer sent a 'cease and desist' notification to this forum regarding region and macrovision hacks, the references to hacks would be gone straight away. Hacks just don't represent as much of a monetary threat as outright stealing of software. Keep pushing everyone's buttons though, its more fun to read than news of the 'other' War.

[Marco33]

Warez & Cracks are not permited yet, we have hacks for dvd players.

Thought that was odd.

Look at it this way it doesnt matter if crackz and wares were legal....if this were your board u can make any rules u wanted and do as u please.

regardless if cracks and warez were legal or not if they are not wanted here by the administrators u would have to abide by the forum rules if u wanted to stay on the forum. and warez and cracks are prohibited here, thats just the rules...illegal or not!

if u want a forum with crackz and warez I suggest u create your own!

I know it's a lot but, if you read up top I do say I don't want that here.

[whytless physh]

Why does this debate remind me of the DO NOT REMOVE tags on mattresses? I've sliced more than my share off at the first opportunity. Bwahahahaha!

[jeex]

do any of you really think hacking your dvd player to play imported dvd movies that you've played for is wrong?

how about downloading cinemacraft encoder and using a crack on it?

how about a keygen/serial number for nero & tmpgenc that you didnt pay for?

going to blockbuster/hollywood video and renting a movie which you rip/encode to format of your choice?

borrowing a cd from a friend and making a copy for yourself?

the only one there that isnt stealing, copyright infringement, or theft of service is modifying your dvd player.

[seinman]

Why does this debate remind me of the DO NOT REMOVE tags on mattresses? I've sliced more than my share off at the first opportunity. Bwahahahaha!

People who think that it's illegal to remove those tags are morons. It CLEARLY says "not to be removed, under penalty of law, except by the consumer." Well guess what? YOU ARE THE CONSUMER, YOU GOD DAMN IDIOT!!! The tag says that once you buy it, you can rip it off if you want. The reason that it's illegal for anyone but the consumers is so that the stores don't rip it off, since it contains information about the materials used that they are required to show you.

[Faceman101]

Yet, here you are discussing it.

I'm not discussing anything with someone who isn't rational and is looking for an argument.