Looking for a good 60 min/1 CD SVCD template

[MorningBell74]

Can anyone help me out? I'm trying to fit a 60 min show on 1 CD in SVCD format. I was hoping someone could point out a good template for TMPGEnc or maybe post some good setting for such a thing. I've had SVCD's with 60 mins. of vid and the quality was awesome, so I'm hoping I can produce the same results. Thanks very much in advance for any help!!!

[fossil]

Can anyone help me out? I'm trying to fit a 60 min show on 1 CD in SVCD format. I was hoping someone could point out a good template for TMPGEnc or maybe post some good setting for such a thing. I've had SVCD's with 60 mins. of vid and the quality was awesome, so I'm hoping I can produce the same results. Thanks very much in advance for any help!!!

well that sure doesn't happen you are looking at 1500kb/s that's too low for svcd to look good. but you can try the kvcd temlates, even though i didnt' really like it, but you can fit a lot video on a cd at possible good quality.

[Puncher]

yes it is possible fossil, MorningBell is right.

i also have some SVCD with almost 60 minutes awesome quality on it!
the question is how is it done - and guess what, i'm also still trying.

But working with CCE instead of TMPGEnc

any help would be great

[HAGGARD]

If the material is interlaced video, I wish U the very best of luck, 'cos it won't work!!!
I did some DV-cam->SVCD conversion, and it left me with a 30minutes movie, poor quality on a 800MB CD!!!!
Although standard (film) to SVCD with about 1500kbps should be fine...

If your player is also capable to play SVCD with VCD resolution (eg. 352x576) you can also save some space (with just a almost unnotable degradation of quality) to fit more time on it!!!

Also 800MB (90minutes audio) recordable CD's can hold more video data (almost 900MB when using mode 2), but both your burner and your player should accept them... (not all burner accept those, even when overburn is activated!!!)

[ZippyP.]

I'm trying to fit a 60 min show on 1 CD in SVCD format. I was hoping someone could point out a good template for TMPGEnc or maybe post some good setting for such a thing.

Variable Bit Rate - the bitrate can vary at any part of a single video or audio stream. VBR can is used to increase bitrate during high motion scenes in a video or to reduce overall file size.

If you're sticking with the SVCD standard, then the best way to get the most amount on one disk and retain quality with TMPGEnc is to use 2-pass VBR. You can adjust your average bitrate as low as you want to get the most amount of time per disk. Personally, I won't go below 1600b/s avg., but to each his own. My lowest settings would be 700 min., 1600 avg., 2500 max.

If the bitrate falls too low then blockiness results, and high action videos require a higher bitrate to maintain quality. You'll have to do some trial and error to find your preferred settings. Also, 2-pass can double conversion time.

[MrKGB]

I think the most important thing here is not encoder but filters.

I use the following VDUB filter settings:

VirtualDub.video.filters.Add("dynamic noise reduction (MMX)");
VirtualDub.video.filters.instance[0].Config (7);
VirtualDub.video.filters.Add("dynamic noise reduction (MMX)");
VirtualDub.video.filters.instance[1].Config (6);
VirtualDub.video.filters.Add("smart smoother HiQuality (2.11)");
VirtualDub.video.filters.instance[2].Config(5, 43, 0, 254, 1, 0, 0, 0);
VirtualDub.video.filters.Add("dynamic noise reduction (MMX)");
VirtualDub.video.filters.instance[3].Config (6);

These filters are fast and remove all noise and also make the image much easier to compress, so even 60 min will fit on a cd with decent quality.

My personal opinion is that the best encoder for SVCD
is CQ mode of Tmpgenc, CCE has problems with mosquito noise.

[ZippyP.]

My personal opinion is that the best encoder for SVCD
is CQ mode of Tmpgenc

Which, of course, is VBR. It results in an uncertain filesize, but it is faster.

And I going to try your filters.

[fossil]

well it could be very good. i've put over 70minute on a cd before. what i really meant was convert divx rips to svcd using that low bitrate would result in poor quality. if your source is the real dvd then it'll be good

[kwag]

And then of course you could fit 120+ minutes with TMPEG and CQ mode at 528x480 with KVCDx3 with ~2% accuracy on final file size using ToK (To_KVCD) Links here: http://www.kvcd.net and using filters like this:

#==============================================#
# -= AviSynth script by MovieStacker v1.1.1 =- #
#==============================================#

LoadPlugin("C:\MovieStacker\Filters\MPEG2Dec2.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\MovieStacker\Filters\NoMoSmooth.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\MovieStacker\Filters\Convolution3D.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\MovieStacker\Filters\GripFit_preview.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\MovieStacker\Filters\DustV5.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\MovieStacker\Filters\LegalClip.dll")

Mpeg2Source("D:\Movie\VIDEO_TS\project.d2v")
LegalClip()
MergeChroma(blur(1.5))
GripCrop(528, 480, overscan=1, source_anamorphic=false)
GripSize(resizer="BilinearResize")
SpaceDust()
NoMoSmooth(40, 1, 6, 1, 3)
Convolution3D(preset="movieHQ")
GripBorders()
LegalClip()

Created automatically with "MovieStacker" or SwiftAVS.
And when you're done, you end up with this on ONE CD: http://www.kvcd.net/samples/attack-short-cq78.mpg or this: http://www.kvcd.net/redplanet-cq78-faery-c3d.mpg

Enjoy
-kwag

[fossil]

kvcd is amazing if it really work well like it's described.

[kwag]

kvcd is amazing if it really work well like it's described.

It does

-kwag

[KYUSS]

Can anyone help me out? I'm trying to fit a 60 min show on 1 CD in SVCD format. I was hoping someone could point out a good template for TMPGEnc or maybe post some good setting for such a thing. I've had SVCD's with 60 mins. of vid and the quality was awesome, so I'm hoping I can produce the same results. Thanks very much in advance for any help!!!

what is the source of this show m8?
did u capture it yourself?
if so what format is it captured in?

[Stonemann]

here is what I usualy do when wanting to archive an hour to one cd and still have stunning results ..and I do mean stunning


1. I encode to 1/2 dvd ( or CVD )...352x480 resolution. If the source is good then you wont be able to distinguish 352x480 from 480x480. Plus there isnt a single DVD player built that Im aware of that doesnt support the CVD / 1/2 dvd resolution. God bless Kwag and all his efforts but I want to guarantee myself compatability in the future. Plus once you buy a DVD burner you CAN easily convert your 1/2 dvd files to be dvd compatible simply by resampling the audio and then drag and dropping to your authoring program. Something that can NOT be done with either SVCD or Kwags non CVD templates. But Kwag does have CVD templates I believe.

2. Is it possible to inverse telecline your source ? If so then run ITC on it and then do a 3:2 pulldown internaly.

3. Use 2-pass VBR or CQ as per your tastes. Both will save drastic amounts of valuable bits.

4. Is this going to be for TV viewing ? If so apply a 10% black border to all sides of your source using a filter. This is due to Televisions having a 10% overscan range that you can NOT see on the TV anyways. No sense using valuable bits to encode that crap cus youll never see it anyways.

using all 4 of these simple tips will leave you with 60+ minutes of stunning visual quality and high motion scenes with no bitrate shortage. Unless you setup your VBR or CQ horribly inaccurately

hope this helps ...

[SatStorm]

60 min per CD with SVCD/CVD as a target format?
Or you go -X- (like kwag) or you do it the really hard way.

The real hard way needs heavy filtering. Start count:
Dynamic and Static Noise Reduction to stable the picture and eliminate random noise. It won't help visualy, but will help a lot the encoder!
A de-noiser like 2D-Cleaner (I think they call them spatial denoisers...), just to eliminate the colour varietions into the areas. Better average pixel allocation that way, and on TV you won't really see a detail loss or difference like you probably see on your PC monitor.

Also, you need to De-interlace now, after all those filters, if your source is intrerlace. That can be done easily with Inverse telecine for NTSC and Virtualdub, but with PAL you need to experiment with filters to succeed good results. A progressive picture may look a bit blured on a mainstream TV (PAL have a bigger problem here), but saves about 10 - 20% bitrate compared an interlace one.

Those are the minimum filters you need if you want to do it the hard way. Some extra steps, is to prefer CVD over SVCD (less frame size, more bitrate per frame) and to kill the overscan.
16:9 picture (you add borders) or smaller (like the new fashion, 2 11 1), gonna produce much better results than a true 4:3 picture. So, 1500kb/s average, ain't that bad for a 16:9 picture and the filtering I already mention.

All those filters, you can add them by frameserving to your favorite encoder, with virtualdub or avisynth. Avisynth is faster, Virtualdub has preview and it is somehow easier to some users like me.
The use of multipass VBR (2 PASS VBR or higher) gonna help, and also keep in mind that you need a minimum bitrate for your encoders. For CVD is 1000kb/s but it should work okey even with 600kb/s. By setting the minimum lower, doesn't mean neccessary than won't play on a standalone, but there some standalones outhere won't play correct or skip once in a while.

Or, as I already said, you go -X- and you don't need to bother with all those limitation/technics.

[Puncher]

@Sat Storm

You said its better to do 16:9 than 4:3

I have some understanding problem's here - i mean when i gonna create a svcd the resolution ich gonna need is 480 * 480 or 576 * 480 -
which isn't 16:9 and 4:3 either

so how do i get 4:3 or 16:9 when there are those strange resolutions for svcd?

[SatStorm]

It is always 4:3 with SVCD/CVD/VCD
But you can have a 16:9 picture inside the 4:3 picture.

[Puncher]

that means that it makes no sense when i set in my encoder aspect ratio to 16:9 and burn it as a svcd?

[SatStorm]

It dependes on the source aspect.