dvd-r media end freezes

[birdygal]

I did a dvd rip that used up basically the whole dvd-r

First I did it on a dvd + rw disc plays from beginning to end flawlessly
I then did a dvd copy from that disc on to a dvd-r disc and the end freezes on it.

Is this the media just isn't that good?

I have used alot of the same brand with no problems ever before but the movies placed on them weren't rips and took about 3/4 of the dvd-r

[MrE 15]

This is just bad media, if a media is going to give problems then this is where it will be. Right at the end. Post the details of the media and your burner and firmware details so other people can benefit from the information.

[defense]

This is just bad media, if a media is going to give problems then this is where it will be. Right at the end. Post the details of the media and your burner and firmware details so other people can benefit from the information.

I disagree completely. I have been posting about this problem for awhile now. It has happened to me OCCASIONALLY with my DVD+R media. Verbatim 2.4x, DVD+R's. Verbatim is far from bad media. They are the standard setters & innovaters in the media world. I noticed then when I used Nero, this problem occurred constantly on movies at the last chapters or so. When I used RecordNowMax to burn all the movies that I realized this occurred on, NONE of them had freezes towards the ending chapters, or anywhere else for that matter. That was until a day ago or so when I backed up Minority Report and burned with the same Verbatim DVD+R, 2.4x disks, I had burned flawlessly with before, and I had no problems whatsoever. If it is the media, someone is going to have to explain why RecordNowMax gives this error much LESS frequently then Nero, and also, why most of the same batch of Verbatim disks burn perfectly, while one here and there burn and freeze towards the ending chapters. Most, if not all of the movies that I am referring to where this freezing occurred are over 4 GB's, and many are closer to 4.33 GB'S. Any more info on this would be great. My burner is a Sony DRU500a. I use RecordNowMax to burn.

[guv]

Well the burning software is an issue, there is no doubt on that - but I 100% think it is a media issue.

OK you mention you have had problems with Verbatim - and thus proves its not. Every batch is likely to have duffuns, no doubt about that - all it proves is you have one.

If you are so certain, could you explain why every one of my "dodgy discs" which are copied onto a different brand, the new ones work ok. The only different thing envolved is the media. Burn software used is the same.


Les

[thxkid]

I belive its a -R issue amost of the posts here has to do with -R's I have recorded over 50 +R's with 4 different brands and use Nero with some clear out to 4.4 gigs and everyone plays flawless on any DVD player I have tried, I have 6 DVD players/recorders myself and they perfect on those also, but my brother is one these I got to have a -R only and has tried Pioneer and Sony and nothing but headaches with I am burning 3-4 +R's a day with my HP without a coaster yet.

[defense]

Well the burning software is an issue, there is no doubt on that - but I 100% think it is a media issue.

If you think that the burning software has ANYTHING to do with this problem, then the media can't be 100% of the problem. Enough Said.


@ThxKid, it has NOTHING to do with the -R format. I was under the impression that it was the +R format, because unlike you, I have had ZERO problems with the end of the disk freezing or skipping with my Verbatim 2x DVD-R's or my TDK DVD-R's, but I have had this problem with Verbatim DVD+R's on at least FIVE occasions. This is a very hard problem to track because of the discrepencies of people. You have not had this on DVD+R's, and I have ONLY had this problem with DVD+R's. As I stated before, interestingly enough, when I dumped INFERO for RNM, every movie which INFERO caused the end of the disk problems with, were COMPLETELY GONE with RNM. I thought I ended this problem, but when I ripped Minority Report, and burned with RNM, the problem was there again. So it occurred MUCH MORE SELDOM with RNM then with INFERO, but it still occurred nonetheless. It would be difficult to try and explain to me that Verbatim disks can have 2 or more BAD disks in a 15 disk spindle. That is MUCH TOO HIGH of a number, and there has to be something else there, or a combination of things. Any other info on this will be appreciated.

[guv]

Well I am not going to get into the virtues of +R and -R, though there may be something in what you say - but its still a media issue in the main.

You dont mention which brands you have used. It may well be you have used good media. That doesnt mean bad +R media doesnt exist and the problems being described as previlant.

[guv]

Well the burning software is an issue, there is no doubt on that - but I 100% think it is a media issue.

If you think that the burning software has ANYTHING to do with this problem, then the media can't be 100% of the problem. Enough Said.

But you havent said anything. I have agreed with you that there are burning issues - and went on to explain in my post why I can make the 100% claim. Any reason you didnt answer the question with an explanation?

[defense]

guv: Are you kiddin' me? I couldn't of explained it any more. Do you actually read? guv said:

You dont mention which brands you have used. It may well be you have used good media. That doesnt mean bad +R media doesnt exist and the problems being described as previlant.

I didn't huh? Then who wrote that they used Verbatim DVD+R's, @ 2.4x, VERBATIM DVD-R's, and TDK DVD-R's? That would be defense a.k.a. me.

I have had ZERO problems with the end of the disk freezing or skipping with my Verbatim 2x DVD-R's or my TDK DVD-R's, but I have had this problem with Verbatim DVD+R's on at least FIVE occasions.

Read the posts buddy.

[guv]

guv: Are you kiddin' me? I couldn't of explained it any more. Do you actually read?

You have replied to my remark where you specifically mention Verbatim. To that post you DO NOT* mention any other brand.

guv said:

You dont mention which brands you have used. It may well be you have used good media. That doesnt mean bad +R media doesnt exist and the problems being described as previlant.

This is a response to THXkid who reckons its a -R issue. Take a look again. I appreciate my reply is directly below yours - and you have mistaken it to be a reply to you. Which is why (having already mentioned in that other post you use Verbatim) that I say you (AKA THXkid) doesnt mention his media.

I didn't huh? Then who wrote that they used Verbatim DVD+R's, @ 2.4x, VERBATIM DVD-R's, and TDK DVD-R's? That would be defense a.k.a. me.

I have had ZERO problems with the end of the disk freezing or skipping with my Verbatim 2x DVD-R's or my TDK DVD-R's, but I have had this problem with Verbatim DVD+R's on at least FIVE occasions.

Read the posts buddy.

Yup - you did post those remarks. I havent responded to them either - just the fact you hadnt answered my question!

Perhaps I should have included the quotes so you can be certain? Re read it and it should become clear. My post to THXkids comments were sent in 10 minutes after your own. I hadnt even seen your previous post at the time of sending my "not a -R issue" reply!

BTW I notice you still avoided my question on why a crap disc that doesnt play, have its VIDEO_TS folder recopied to a decent disc, burnt with the same software and same methods, and now play?


Also might be an idea to change your name to attack!

Whatever - chill!

[guv]

OK, now I will respond directly to your comments here.

Well the burning software is an issue, there is no doubt on that - but I 100% think it is a media issue.

If you think that the burning software has ANYTHING to do with this problem, then the media can't be 100% of the problem. Enough Said.

If you are using the same method and burning the same film at the same time. Could you explain to me why I could guarantee an FWS will be successful, and the Princo shite discs will stutter? I have not had *ONE* problem at all with FWS. And yes I agree with you that Nero is resposible to many of your earlier problems (as with me) because it does not replicate the DVD standard as well as RNW.

@ThxKid, it has NOTHING to do with the -R format. I was under the impression that it was the +R format, because unlike you, I have had ZERO problems with the end of the disk freezing or skipping with my Verbatim 2x DVD-R's or my TDK DVD-R's, but I have had this problem with Verbatim DVD+R's on at least FIVE occasions. This is a very hard problem to track because of the discrepencies of people. You have not had this on DVD+R's, and I have ONLY had this problem with DVD+R's. As I stated before, interestingly enough, when I dumped INFERO for RNM, every movie which INFERO caused the end of the disk problems with, were COMPLETELY GONE with RNM. I thought I ended this problem, but when I ripped Minority Report, and burned with RNM, the problem was there again. So it occurred MUCH MORE SELDOM with RNM then with INFERO, but it still occurred nonetheless. It would be difficult to try and explain to me that Verbatim disks can have 2 or more BAD disks in a 15 disk spindle. That is MUCH TOO HIGH of a number, and there has to be something else there, or a combination of things. Any other info on this will be appreciated.

I agree it is nothing to do with -R format. Your first comment backs up what I have said. And I agree that it isnt good to get a couple of Verbatim discs that are naf - but not impossible. Maybe you had some dirt on a spot of the disc? Maybe a fluctuation from the burner? Clutching at straws? Yes it might be, but can you tell me if you reburnt Minority report on another disc using the same RNM settings? Did the problem duplicate itself or did you get success? If you got success then there can be no other explanation but the media (or burn flaw.) If you didnt, this may mean your authoring methods may have gone astray on this one. Maybe at the point of the problem, the bitrate is so high (and on the outside rim) that it is unable to keep up with reading it. Clutching at straws again? Yes probably.

Did you retry to burn the same VIDEO_TS?

Regards

Les

[defense]

@guv, I am not here to argue, and "attack" as you mention. I am here to state the facts. I have received much help from other posters who have experienced certain issues and give assistance to prevent people like myself from having the same difficulties. I am trying to do the same by helping other posters understand that this could be a big problem for a lot of people, and I'm trying to make them aware of it before it costs them big time, literally. I bet there are a lot of people who just rip and burn, and don't fully test their disks. When they go to watch them, they may be in for a shock. As far as your posts go, I don't know why this is happening, so I can only try to eliminate what I think is causing it. As far as the authoring problem goes, it couldn't be what is causing it, because I have had this problem occur on movies which are single layered, and I can just rip and burn to a DVD+R, such as Ace Ventura Pet Detective, which had this exact same issue. As far as dirt or a fingerprint or whatever else, that has nothing to do with it because all of my disks are pulled directly from the spindle, and this problem occurs at the "end" of each disk where the problem arises. If it had anything to do with dirt, etc...then the problem would occur at the beginning or middle at least once in a while. All I can say is that I can't wait until Monday when I get an order of 100 ACCU DVD-R's, where people have said they have burned 50 out of 50 flawlessly with their SONY DRU500a. I hope I can definitely duplicate that. To answer your question about Minority Report, NO, I didn't re-burn that onto another blank DVD+R because I tried that once with Ferris Bueller's Day Off and the second time around, the movie skipped towards the very end of the movie, or the starting of the ending credits, while the first time, it skipped during the last two chapters... but either way, the problem was still there. I didn't want to lose anymore $3 Verbatim Disks. If it is the Verbatim Disks, then I should know soon enough.

[birdygal]

Problem from original post

It was the media, I did the same dvd copy from the original +rw and to a different brand primedisc dvd-r and that one doesn't freeze, Not the authoring program, Not the original file and not the burning program which was nero

I tried the same method again with the same media and it does the same thing stutters near the end.

[guv]

@guv, I am not here to argue, and "attack" as you mention.

Come on m8 - there was a smiley there - it was a tongue in cheek comment based on your handle "defense". I would have thought having gone to the effort of letting you see where we have had an accidental cross wire would have indicated that?

I bet there are a lot of people who just rip and burn, and don't fully test their disks. When they go to watch them, they may be in for a shock.

Agreed - which is why these forums are useful to pass on experiences.

As far as your posts go, I don't know why this is happening, so I can only try to eliminate what I think is causing it.

Which is why I 100% believe for me anyway - the problem is the media. Nothing to do with authoring or burning techniques. You may recall I did say I agree they are important steps. But when you burn one disc with a crap media that wont play without stutters, that then plays perfectly with a better disc, it shows completely the problem. It has been so well documented by others also.

As far as the authoring problem goes, it couldn't be what is causing it, because I have had this problem occur on movies which are single layered, and I can just rip and burn to a DVD+R, such as Ace Ventura Pet Detective, which had this exact same issue.

By that do you mean menus ripped and everything? If yes, I would agree it is not authoring, since you never authored it. If however it was a data stream rip and author, then it could still be.

As far as dirt or a fingerprint or whatever else, that has nothing to do with it because all of my disks are pulled directly from the spindle, and this problem occurs at the "end" of each disk where the problem arises. If it had anything to do with dirt, etc...then the problem would occur at the beginning or middle at least once in a while.

Agreed - and I did say my comments could be taken as clutching at straws. They were however valid comments to make.

All I can say is that I can't wait until Monday when I get an order of 100 ACCU DVD-R's, where people have said they have burned 50 out of 50 flawlessly with their SONY DRU500a. I hope I can definitely duplicate that.

Hmm - so you are taking the media angle then? BTW do the "problem" discs play on any other machine?

To answer your question about Minority Report, NO, I didn't re-burn that onto another blank DVD+R because Disks.

Run through your process and software.

Ive recently done minority report myself without problems on my FWS.

Using smart ripper, dvd2avi, vfapi, cce to get the downsize m2v and ac3 files. Then author with SpruceUp, (Just have a front screen and play. It does have full chapters though.) I then create a HD VIDEO_TS and then burn with RNW using UDF and 106 characters.

Is yours process similar? What do you do? May throw up something - you never know!


Les

[guv]

Problem from original post

It was the media, I did the same dvd copy from the original +rw and to a different brand primedisc dvd-r and that one doesn't freeze, Not the authoring program, Not the original file and not the burning program which was nero

I tried the same method again with the same media and it does the same thing stutters near the end.

Yup - kinda what Ive been saying and had experience of exactly what you have done. What brand was the duff one?

BTW whilst yours seems to be fine - Nero has also be the source of many problems - dependant of set tops firmware. If its just for you and you will always have that machine, then no probs. Id definately try to test in another set top. Id certainly recommed using recordnow max rather than Nero. But as they say - if it aint broke - dont fix it

[montythedog]

I had the very same problem on a Wharfedale M5, but only with FWS media. Then I swapped the DVD drive out (the M5 uses an IDE interface), replacing it with a Liteon 165H and now all my disks play perfectly - including DVD-RW which didn't even play before!

So it maybe a media problem, but the media is not necessarily totally to blame.

[guv]

Yup I agree montythedog, the player does come into the equation. My old machine a Raite 715 is quite similar to yours. It used to really hate DVDR completely. I swapped in a Memorex 16x drive and there was a massive improvement - though it did still suffer with stutters on some discs. (Princo, datasafe and bulkpaq) Suprised to hear that your old setup could play other media but not FWS, as I have genuinely not head of an one with problems with this brand. Having said that, the second version they did was piss poor. Version 1 was better, and the current version the better of the 3.

My Raite is now suffering from old age - hence the Pioneer 454 replacement. Every now and then I have to unplug it on a disc change as the screen goes heywire, otherwise Id probably of got a better DVDR/RW reader to slot in. I honestly thought that all new DVD Rom drives would read all the media fine. I may of just bought a duff batch (I bought 3 of them 'cos they were cheap!) but seems not to be the case!

[defense]

guv: Ok man, no problem. To answer some of your questions, you keep saying that everytime you try a different type of media after you have this problem, then it works fine. The problem with that is you keep referring to this problem media as "crap." I use Verbatim, so I have not heard ANYONE refer to Verbatim as crap. That's why I am having a hard time understanding what the problem is. I appreciate you just trying to help and give solutions. As far as if these problem disks will play in another standalone player, the answer is NO, they won't. I have had problems before where my standalone has a problem, but the disk will play in my DVD ROM, this is not one of those cases. As a matter of fact, I tried to rip all the contents off of one of these disks with Smart Ripper and DVD Decryptor, and when it rips to 96%, and then stops. So the Data is corrupt, and that is why this error occurs. And to answer your questions relating to the authoring, I was referring to this problem occuring with movies that can be "exact" backups. Single layered disks which I can just rip and burn. No stream processing whatsoever, so I have eliminated authoring, and more specifically, IFOEdit, and Maestro as a potential problem.

I still have NOT heard anyone say that the + media can potentially be a problem. I feel that MAYBE THE + "VERBATIM'S" at 2.4x may be a problem. Maybe it isn't the + format itself, especially because this problem has never happened to thxkid with + media, only - media. If burning speed proves to not be a problem, I really feel that there may be a problem with VERBATIM DVD+R's @ 2.4x. What do you think? The reason I say that is because I have about 20 or so VERBATIM DVD-R's, and have tested them ALL, and guess what.....NO PROBLEMS anywhere on the disks. That seems interesting to me. Let me know what you think.

[guv]

The problem with that is you keep referring to this problem media as "crap." I use Verbatim, so I have not heard ANYONE refer to Verbatim as crap. That's why I am having a hard time understanding what the problem is.

I would agree - Verbatim media is not crap. However it doesnt mean they dont produce a potential coaster. Production is not always 100% - even though I would agree that buying a good brand dramatically reduces the chances - but not elliminate.

As far as if these problem disks will play in another standalone player, the answer is NO, they won't. I have had problems before where my standalone has a problem, but the disk will play in my DVD ROM, this is not one of those cases.

When a disc plays fine in the fussiest of players, I would say that the media is fine, along with the authoring.

When a disc plays fine in some, but not all, it could be down to either or both.

What I have described with problems Ive had, it is definately the media, since copying the VIDEO_TS to another better disc and it plays fine, even though for all intent and purposes they are identical. The only property difference is the media itself. Hence where I am coming from on my responses.

As a matter of fact, I tried to rip all the contents off of one of these disks with Smart Ripper and DVD Decryptor, and when it rips to 96%, and then stops. So the Data is corrupt, and that is why this error occurs.

Indeed that does sound like it is the case. I would suggest that appears to be a badly burnt disc. ie your Burner didnt do it correctly (for whatever reason - including a flaw on the media).

And to answer your questions relating to the authoring, I was referring to this problem occuring with movies that can be "exact" backups. Single layered disks which I can just rip and burn. No stream processing whatsoever, so I have eliminated authoring, and more specifically, IFOEdit, and Maestro as a potential problem.

Indeed, just asking to eliminate this issue. When your new discs arrive (and they seem to be fine) a retry with one of those may well clarify if it is a media issue. If it works, then theres your answer. If it doesnt, then the only things it could be are:

Your player is fussy (which doesnt sound to be the case)
Something went wrong in the rip process. (Which doesnt sound likely - and I assume you tested before burning anyway - I know I always do!)
There is a flaw in the burner or you used an incorrect setting. (doesnt sound likely - but possible)
The outer edge (which as you will be aware is always the problem area) where the data is harder to read, has a particulary high datarate and your player cant handle it from DVDR. - certainly more likely than the other points!

I still have NOT heard anyone say that the + media can potentially be a problem. I feel that MAYBE THE + "VERBATIM'S" at 2.4x may be a problem. Maybe it isn't the + format itself, especially because this problem has never happened to thxkid with + media, only - media.

I dont think it is a -/+ issue. However one question. You mention the Verbatim discs. Are the ones that are ok recorded from a lower speed batch - and you are now getting problems with higher speed discs? You are probably aware that Verbatim dont actually make their own discs and it may well be that you have a couple of rogue discs. Stranger things have happended!

If burning speed proves to not be a problem, I really feel that there may be a problem with VERBATIM DVD+R's @ 2.4x. What do you think? The reason I say that is because I have about 20 or so VERBATIM DVD-R's, and have tested them ALL, and guess what.....NO PROBLEMS anywhere on the disks. That seems interesting to me. Let me know what you think.

Ah ha - so these discs you are now having a problem with are not the same? I do now think it may well be back to the media - Verbatim or not!

The test for you will be to burn one of your new discs and if that works, try one of these "problem" 2.4x verbatim and see how that pans out.

If the new lot works, and the verbatim doesnt, I think you will know the answer!

One thing I would suggest - even though they burn at 2.4x - give one a try at 1x and see if it makes a difference. It may be that even though they are rated at that speed, they are not up to the job.

If you are able to, I would also see if you can copy the completed VIDEO_TS from one of these discs, and reburn on the new ones. If it works then bingo - you will be as convinced on this media thing as I am! If you can copy it - make sure you test the Vobs etc by playing it back from your HD first. Do you do that anyway before burning? A good habit to get into IMHO - just to test chapter points and menus.

Let us know how you get on.

Les

[defense]

@ guv, thanks once again for all of your info. To just mention a few things, my standalone player is probably the best on the market. I did a TON of research on this forum and others before I purchased one and the Philips 724 was hands down the best I had read about. This thing would read a PANCAKE! The disks that this freezing at the end has occured on are ALL 2.4x DVD+R's and even my DVD ROM freezes when it gets to the bad spot at the end of the disks. The thing is that it doesn't occur often on even the 2.4x DVD+R's, which I am fortunate for. I do play the contents and check them from my hard drive before I burn and I also test burn with my Sony DVD+RW that came with my burner. When I tried ALL of the movies on the DVD+RW, they played perfectly. I have a couple of other questions for you though. You mentioned the same thing as FLAYSTUS on another post regarding burning speed. I really wish I had some more Verbatim disks DVD+R 2.4x to test this problem with, but I don't. Even if I had to buy more disks, now that I know the 2X Verbatim's played flawlessly, I would buy them as opposed to the 2.4x disks. I am just curious though, I looked at the Verbatim DVD-R's 2x and the Verbatim 2.4x DVD+R's and the bottom's are both purple, but there is a unique difference. On the Verbatim +R's, the outer edge and the inner edge by the doughut hole of the DVD+R are "thick." That darker circle is thick in both places, while on the DVD-R's, the circle in both places is MUCH THINNER. Do you have any idea why that is? That seems interesting. Also, on my TDK and my VERBATIM DVD-R's, the disks themselves say R4.7 , while on my Verbatim DVD+R's, there is an "RW" on them. Not the R4.7 that is on the DVD-R's, but an "RW" emblem. Do you have any clue what that RW means? I guess if worse comes to worse, at least I know that I am safe, or at least appear to be at 40 out of 40 combined with TDK and Verbatim DVD-R's @2x. Let me know what you think.

[guv]

Hi m8....rather than use the quote function, I'll pick up on the points to make it easier on the eye!

I'm not aware of the player you mention, though would say I did similar on my choice. ie public opinion which is usually better than listening to sales staff who dont have a clue! So remove that from the problem equation!

You mention that your 2.4X stoppers wont play in anything. Can you read them in your Sony drive? If you cant, then clearly the media is bad - or a bad burn because there is no other reason you wouldnt be able to read it. At least it rules out authoring and burning software as well.

The fact that some/most of the 2.4x play is a good sign. It means that your kit is up to the job. Just maybe not with a bad burnt or faulty disc which isnt suprising.

I mention the burning speed for 2 reasons. (1) Certainly in the past on CDR, sony playstaions would only read discs burnt at 1x. This isnt the case now. The point being is the media has improved and is no longer an issue. DVDR is in its infancy still remember - and things generally have improved. (2) Given the fact it is still new technology, and limits are being pushed, the media itself needs to be "better" to cope. By that I mean if its just under par 2.4 times may not burn itself properly onto the disc. ie depth of burn. I should be clear why that is a problem and would cause reading issues. This is only an opinion - but from past experience of the playstation, I see no reason why the same wont apply to DVDR

On your last comment on RW. I take it the media is +R and not +RW? From what you are saying I'm not 100% sure. The letters may be something unconnected, but are you certain you are not using +ReWritable discs? It shouldnt make a difference (though I thought +RW wasnt up to that speed yet?), but if it is it would explain a lot. RW discs are generally much harder to read than R discs. My old player wouldnt read any RWs - havent tested my new one yet. If they are RW discs, then would say it cant be any other reason than the media for your problem. However, I cant help think what I have said here is a red herring and you are fully aware of the difference between R & RW. Ive only ever bought 2 RW discs, and they have been nothing but a waste of money.

Let us know on the last point - and if your sony can copy the VIDEO_TS files to the HD.


Les

[defense]

guv: Hi again M8, just to be more specific on the disks I am talking about are DVD+R's. They say DVD+R and also say 2.4x, but there is a little "RW" emblem ALSO on the disk. They are not RW disks, that is why I have NO CLUE what that RW means. On my DVD-R's they show R 4.7, but on this DVD+R's, they have an "RW" written on them. Sounds weird huh? I can't try any of the problem disks now because I have thrown them ALL OUT. The only two I have to re-burn are LOTR and Minority Report, which I will burn when I get my 100 pk of ACCU. Let me know what you think about that RW if you get a chance. Thanks again

[Robbins1940]

I have found that DVD-R discs that have a purple recording layer work best than blue ones.

Also its best to burn at 1x speed. Any disc I have burned at 2x speed is unreadable past 9 minutes into the movie and they can't be copied back to the hard disc.

Have tested a few White Label 2x speed discs and so far about 6 out of 45 are useless. The useless ones were burned at 2x speed.

David

[Will Hay]

I had the very same problem on a Wharfedale M5, but only with FWS media.Then I swapped the DVD drive out (the M5 uses an IDE interface), replacing it with a Liteon 165H and now all my disks play perfectly - including DVD-RW which didn't even play before!

I have the M5 too, and I burnt a couple of UK PAL six episode dvd's to one dvd-r at around 2600bitrates each.
The first three are fine, the fourth not too bad but the fourth and fifth stutter when playing (I don't know if they're like this all through the episode, if it's bad at the beginning then that's bad enough for me).
I've been getting a couple of calibration error's in Prassi and Nero, would you say I should change media?
I've noticed if I play the dvd player in my desktop and laptop player it's fine.
Is there an easy way to determine the best media for your burner (the panasonic site hasn't been much help).
What was the expense of changing the drive in your M5?
Will

[Will Hay]

I've done another dvdr overnight using a different program (smartripper, maestro and Prassi rather than claddvd, dvd2avi, tmpgenc and ulead movie maker) and the output problem is the same, as the movie draws to a close (around three quarters in from the beginning, say 90mins of a 120min movie) I get stuttering - a brief stop and then restart.
I'll have a pal check the same disk out on his machine and another pal check out the disk on his mM5 (same machine as mine) and see what happens.
It's been kindly sugegsted I swap the drive but I'm not doing that.
Is it likely that whilst my dvd burner likes the blanks the standalone doesn't?
I've created a ton of vcd's and never had this (although I wasn't using datasafe/datawise).
I also dropped burning to 1x but still got the stuttering.
Will

[guv]

Hi Defense

I noticed the replies in another thread re RW (ie its the alliance it refers), so didnt reply.

However, am interested on how you got on with your new discs?

Any improvement?

I'm pissed off ATM as my supplier has dried up on FWS discs

Les

[Craig Tucker]

Are any of you guys labelling your discs ?

http://www.vcdhelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=138166

[defense]

@ guv, to answer your question, I have had very good success with all of the ACCU's which I have burned..both LEAD DATA AND SONY. I have only burned about 5 at 2x with RecordNowMax and they have played PERFECTLY, from beginning to end. I have had a lot going on the last week or so, and haven't been able to burn more, but I will be slowly getting back into it to test more...but the ACCU'S look gr8! How's the ripping/burning been going for you?


@ Craig Tucker, ...Hi Craig, I actually saw your post regarding the labels, and that isn't an issue...at least not for me. I don't label my DVD's...OR CD's...I just use a special marker to write the title. I am not big into labels and all the things pertaining to how the DVD or the box looks...all I care about is the movie. That's why I don't even usually care about subtitles or menus. Anyway, I saw your post and I've actually read on at least two other occasions, people briefly mentioning that labels seemed to have caused their problems with disk skips. The thing is that my disks would skip and freeze towards the very end, and being that I don't use labels, I had to test various methods. It seems like it has something to do with either burning at 2.4x, or certain disks not being up to par on quality as others in the spindle, or maybe a little of both. I have NEVER experienced ANY freezing, or skipping on ANY 2x media....only my 2.4x VERBATIM DVD+R's, which I won't be purchasing anymore. And it was only on 2 or 3 out of 15 that this problem would occur on, and only on movies that were at the capacity of the blank DVD. Flaystus, and other posters explained how the data is more sensitive towards the ends of the disks, and that I should burn slower, etc. Now that I seem to have some great disks with my ACCU's, which are SONY and Lead Data, it appears that all is PERFECT. Thanks for your info though, hopefully it will help others.

[guv]

@ guv, to answer your question, I have had very good success with all of the ACCU's which I have burned..both LEAD DATA AND SONY. I have only burned about 5 at 2x with RecordNowMax and they have played PERFECTLY, from beginning to end. I have had a lot going on the last week or so, and haven't been able to burn more, but I will be slowly getting back into it to test more...but the ACCU'S look gr8! How's the ripping/burning been going for you?

Glad to hear its now all working.

Would you conclude that it was the media causing the problems? I know verbatim is a good brand - but its likely you either had a duff batch or else there are incompatibility problems with them.

Also stick with RNM, which is a great peice of sw as I think you now appreciate.

As for me - I'm still happily slowly backing up my collection. For some (if the are less than 90mins, I am sticking 2 films per disc. Cant see the difference

Have fun.....

[JasonK]

Read about the bug in RecordNow Max here:
http://www.vcdhelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=436689#436689