Parts from camera made DVD cutoff on TV but not on pc?

[winniepoe]

On TV (Pal) my Adobe Premiere 6.5 made movie is not displayed completely on screen. Some parts are missing/cut off from the edges at the right and bottom.

When I burn the adobe made DVD (with menu by DVD Workshop and eventually with use of TMPGENC) it is perfect with MYDVD on the pc, but when I put the DVD in the standalone Pioneer 350 or in a shop on another player, parts are missing. It also happens when I connect my camera on the firewirecard/dv200-card and display the movie in Adobe Premiere itself.

The problem is that it seems that if I want to make effects in adobe (subtitling/menu's/icons or whatever) I need to check if it fits in when I want to show it on TV.

But what if I want to show it on a DVD on a pc with a friend? He sees the complete image so subtitles, menu's and so on are more in screen. If I want to make an animating gif og a man walking on te bottom of the screen it gives problems!

I really don't know what to do. Any help is welcome please!
Offcourse I checked tons of forums, Google, Adobe-site, manuals, but it seems like I am the only one.

Eric

[Craig Tucker]

This is overscan and all tv's do it to some extent. Search the forum for overscan for more information.

[winniepoe]

I also searched on overscan, but how do I have to edit in Premiere then?
Cause I never know if something is nice on screen.

Is it only a solution to connect to connect a TV on my Asus Geforce3 TV-out (if that show me something in Adobe) and edit it that way?

Or can you help me how to fix the problems with overscan while I also want to show something on a PC?

I have Holidaymovies which I want to show on AND DVD-PC AND DVD-TV.

Thanx for the quick reply BTW

Eric

[Craig Tucker]

I dont use premiere so I cant help you on that.

What you could do is add a black border around your video, so that when your TV overscans the image you just loose the black border and not any of your image. You will have to do this with trial and error to see how much border to add, and one problem is that not all tv's overscan by the same amount, so on your TV it might look fine, bit on another TV there may be a slight bit of the black border visible.

Anyway if you want to add a border you can do this using virtualdub. Open your video, then click on video then filters, then add the resize filter. Click on the expand frame and letterbox checkbox, choose a framewidth and height and select preview to see how much border this will add. Then save avi, your video will now be saved with a border. You can then encode a clip and test it on your TV.

[winniepoe]

Thanx for your help.
Although I read about these solutions, I couldn't believe it. But you convince me. I have to except the lag of this.

Regards,

Eric

[donpedro]

Or... (this will not help you now ) next time when you shoot with your DV camcorder... just remember that there is overscan.

BTW... How did you find about overscan. I was never aware of this until I added title to my video an on TV halh of the letters were gone .

[EricB]

winniepoe,

Read about the "safe" areas in Adobe help or the manual. When you open up a title screen (to make a new title) it shows two boxes. The outer box is the "Motion Safe Area". Generally, if important motion is kept within these boundaries, it will be seen even after overscan.

The inner box is the "Title Safe Area". Any text or titles should be kept within this area to insure it can be seen on TV.

When I first started making videos for TV, I made up a frame with rectangles of decreasing size and different colors. When shown on the TV, it's amazing how much is lost.

My TV overscans so much that some network broadcast titles are slightly cut. If your TV seems extreme, you can have it adjusted at a service shop.

[winniepoe]

EricB,

Thanx for your explanation. Funny, my first name is also Eric and last name with a B. I had to say this.
But it's so good that people like you explain this to me cause how should I ever know this? Everyone how should work with DV-Camera, Editingsoftware and playbook ought to have this problem and I never read anything in the applications help-part. Besides Adobe Premiere, but they don't have work arounds for my example of an animating guy, walking on the bottom of the screen.

Don Pedro,
I recognized the problem when I made menu's on VCD and later on DVD. First I thought it was my player, later on I thought the wrong technic in the application. I searched a lot on terms like: Missing part TV, wrong playback and later on overscan.
With filming my camera shows about the correct end-picture (It takes overscan in account). But you loose SO much of the total movie when you look at the movie on a pc. I don't understand why current technologies can't handle this.

Well, I have to do my animations again and I will buy a small TV to show the correct picture.

Good luck for you all.

Eric Bliekendaal
Winniepoe

[EricB]

Eric,

Get a book on Premiere, because there are several ways to address your problem without doing your animations over. The books also talk about overscan, square pixels vs. rectangular, etc.

Two ways to make your frame fit within the safe area:
1. Use Video Filter-> Transform -> Camera View -> Zoom and you can zoom the frame smaller.

2. Right click the clip -> Video Options -> Motion this lets you set size, position, rotation with keyframes. Just pick center for the beginning and end keyframe, and set your zoom at beginning and end to the size you need.

[winniepoe]

Eric (hehe),

It's nice to learn these new things. Opens an extra world for me.
It might be a sollution for this time. Next time I have to pay more attention to those safe zones. Do you have an advice which book might be good (I got Adobe Premiere 6.5 and tons of addon's).
I am pretty experienced in using effects, but don't use all the possible options and don't use after effects.
I always thought of buying a nice book.
BTW, if you also got a tip for a nice card to avoid the rendering time, please advice me. You can mail me at eric.bliekendaal@hoogehuys.nl cause we are now loosing the mainsubject. (I now got a DV200 by the way)

Eric

[EricB]

Eric,

I would look for a book on Amazon. They do a great job showing user reviews and samples of the books. Their prices are good too. I tend to use them or go to a local store so I can see the manual.

I have no experience with hardware accelerators. I guess this would have to be more than a hobby to justify the expense. The new 6.5 does an excellent job of previewing without rendering.

Finally, a big timesaver that I use is to send my edited videos back out to the camera instead of writing to disk. It takes forever to render to the disk, while saving to the camera is realtime. It provides a backup of your work on tape, and you can just re-capture (also realtime) for producing VCD, SVCD or DVD.

[laks]

Maybe this wouldn't help, but couldn't you use the zoom function of your DVD player?

At least with my player I can zoom out. I do it all the time with DVD movies to cope with the overscan problem.