CCE encoding question

[ElectricAden]

Hey guys, i was wondering if any of you could help me while i am encoding in CCE. I followed the DOOM9 guide to getting the best out of CCE and then when i was done, i authored the resulted video and the AUdio i had left from DVD2AVI with IFOEDIT. I tried this with 2 movies and when i go tp play it in my DVD player, it is not smooth play. Its like the movie is moving quickly in stills. Does anyone know if i endoded this wrong or what i can do to correct this ?

[BJ_M]

sounds as if your bit rate is to high ... max should be 7000 and some say 6000

[ElectricAden]

The guide tells me to put the max at 9800, min 0, quantinization at 60. This is what i am doing is the guide wrong ?

To describe better what is happenening, the video stutters when it plays, its not moving smoothly and i need to fix it. Help!! thanks much!

aden

[Adder_78]

sounds as if your bit rate is to high ... max should be 7000 and some say 6000

no no no no.... max bitrate for dvd is 9800... so you must use lower than that... 8)

Zzzzzzzzzz

[tumbar]

I use this method when re-encoding. I use 8000-9500, depending upon length and complexity and see no noticeable quality difference. CCE always delivers excellence if properly enabled!

Have you pulled the streams back through Spruce or Maestro, to see if the fault is in the ifoedit compiling and authoring?

How does the disk(s) play on your computer software?

Have you used this same media before? Have you previously used this method with success?

I have not tried to use ifoedit to merge streams back together, no reason just haven't yet. I forgot that's why I downloaded the new version....

[BJ_M]

i am telling you - after making 1000's and 1000's of dvds in a professional capacity and having to ship them to people and clients all over the world as test disks before making a master for pressing or futher editing or compositing of material- that for maximum compatibility - 7000 is about the max you can go ... a LOT of machines will have problems at a bit rate higher than this on burned DVD's.. i am well aware of the max bit rate of a dvd, and that your current dvd players may be able to play high than that ..
since most of you are re-encoding anyway from already compressed material - really you can get excellent results from a max of 6000-7000 bit rate.. unless you buy superbit dvd's - even comercial dvd's are rairly higher than 7000 bit rate also , more often no higher than 6000 ...

[ElectricAden]

I will retry at 7000 and let you all know the result. and to answer the question, the m2v file jumps when i play it on my comp software and also when it is burned and played on my dvd player so the problem lies within the encoding. I will see if the bitrate is the cause but i am not sure yet. Ill let you know. Thanks

Aden

[ElectricAden]

I have retried this with 2 other movies at 7000 and i am still getting the stuttering. I need to figure out what i am doing wrong. I am following exact what it tells me in the guide, can anyone help ?

[medievil]

did you use bitrate calc to get the info like progressive, zig-zag scanning, etc??? sound to me like it's using progressive when it shouldn't be...
or the scannning order is wrong..(Zig-zag when it should be alternate, or the reverse)

[ElectricAden]

Yes, i matched everything to what i was told to in bitrate calc and still it stutters

[HoosierDaddy]

Are you doing something goofy like surfing the web while burning? Are you turning off anti-virus and other "behind the scenes" applications? Worth a shot.

[rkorkie]

I use CCE 2.50, DVD2AVI 1.76, Mpeg2dec3 beta 6, IFOEdit 0.95 and NERO 5.5.9.17. My drive in a Sony DRU-500A with firmware 1.0d. I have read threads in other forums about the jittering, and it has been mostly attributed to a combination of drive (firmware)/media/software/player compatibility. Because this technology is still pretty new, nothing is perfect. A lot of people will get this skipping while changing a combination of any of the 4 factors mentioned. I personally use Memorex 1X dvd-r from best-buy cause they were only $2 ea. and I needed some quickly. I author the dvd exactly as per doom's guide, assemble it with ifoedit, then burn with NERO and play it on an el-cheapo $90 Toshiba dvd player from costco. All works well, even with max bitrate of 9800.

I guess you will just have to experiment with different combos of media and burning software before you worry about what authoring software you are using, or your drive. Sony's new firmware is supposed to remedy media compatibility, etc. Hope that helps.

Ryan

[adam]

Yes burned media will often cause problems with high bitrates even when still within the DVD specs, but BJ-M this is not at all true with pressed media. Were you maybe talking about the avg bitrate?

A typical commercial DVD has an avg bitrate of between 5 and 6mbits, so its max bitrate certainly would not be as low as 6mbits. This would actually look quite poor by today's standards.

Virtually all commercial pressed dvds will still have a max bitrate of around 9.8mbits, since all dvd players are required to play this bitrate level. Look at any commercial dvd in a bitrate viewer and I guarantee that you will see peaks well above 7mbits. If commercial dvds didn't use the max allowable bitrate then there would be no reason for the standard to support it.

[drilldoc1]

Hi. I just started trying to copy a DVD using CCE as my encoder. After all this junk with virtual dub and avisynth, I ended up ripping with Smart ripper, converting to d2v using DVD2AVI and then using the VFAPI plugin which converted the file for use with CCE. I can't believe how much time wasted attempting with other means. The file is encoding now at .76 RT. Not to shabby. It's interesting to hear the max on DVD bitrate. 7k eh? I've been using 8K as my max with an ave. of 6k. I do see some bit rates peak occasionally at 10k, but I'm assuming that audio and multi angle stuff can make the bit rate go that high. Thanks for the hint. BTW, jittery video can mean screwed up field order. DV is usually lower field, while DVD's are upper field. Try swapping fields.
Dave

[BJ_M]

Yes burned media will often cause problems with high bitrates even when still within the DVD specs, but BJ-M this is not at all true with pressed media. Were you maybe talking about the avg bitrate?

A typical commercial DVD has an avg bitrate of between 5 and 6mbits, so its max bitrate certainly would not be as low as 6mbits. This would actually look quite poor by today's standards.

Virtually all commercial pressed dvds will still have a max bitrate of around 9.8mbits, since all dvd players are required to play this bitrate level. Look at any commercial dvd in a bitrate viewer and I guarantee that you will see peaks well above 7mbits. If commercial dvds didn't use the max allowable bitrate then there would be no reason for the standard to support it.

i was talking about burned dvd's only... burned on a pioneer A03 or A04 -- when sent out for mass duplication on DLT , 9400 is the selected max bit rate plus audio (unless more than 1 audio track (i.e. DTS) ) ..

With a Pioneer DVR201 - the max bit rate is used also and plays on anything.

there is a lot of comercial dvd's also never going much over 6000 , but this is not becuase of compatability but simply trying to cram as much as possable on to a single sided disk to keep costs down.

[BJ_M]

Hi. I just started trying to copy a DVD using CCE as my encoder. After all this junk with virtual dub and avisynth, I ended up ripping with Smart ripper, converting to d2v using DVD2AVI and then using the VFAPI plugin which converted the file for use with CCE. I can't believe how much time wasted attempting with other means. The file is encoding now at .76 RT. Not to shabby. It's interesting to hear the max on DVD bitrate. 7k eh? I've been using 8K as my max with an ave. of 6k. I do see some bit rates peak occasionally at 10k, but I'm assuming that audio and multi angle stuff can make the bit rate go that high. Thanks for the hint. BTW, jittery video can mean screwed up field order. DV is usually lower field, while DVD's are upper field. Try swapping fields.
Dave

DV is always lower field first ...
DVD are ussually progressive (when film source) where field order doesnt mater (except in reversed frames - seen that before) .. other than that dvd's are NOT ussually upper field -- they can be both or one or the other and there is no set rule.

also please realize that MANY home dvd players can handle higher bit rate burned dvd's but MANY also can not .. if yours can-- go ahead , but if you are going to say - send some out to people and want max. compatability -- you have to lower bit rates and use 100% compliant encoding (GOP structure , etc ) ...

[ElectricAden]

I appreciate the help you guys give, in the past month i have learned so much about this and i cant wait to keep learning more.

The one thing that gets me is that i dont think it is thedvd playerim using.. the video stutters when played on my computer before i burn it also.

I am goin gto try other movies and other settings and hopefully can get results.. The way it looks is that i can fit 2 movies on one dvd with this method and i think that is amazing and will save me much $....

[HoosierDaddy]

If you're having problems with using more complicated techniques with IFO edit, I'd suggest trying some authoring software such as DVD Maestro. I've used it successfully on every attempt.

Also, to fit two movies of decent length onto one DVD-R, the quality will have to be poor at best, comparitively speaking.

Also, there's another topic about the newer software called DVD2DVD-R that I've recently started taking a look at. It looks great and reviews have almost all been very positive. It pretty much rolls the ripping, demuxing and encoding (using CCE) all into one easy to use program that determines whether the movie itself will fit onto DVD-R with or without re-encoding. Of course you can override the settings and adjust as you please as well.

Here's a link to the topic, which has a download link in it as well.
http://www.vcdhelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=124578

[drilldoc1]

DV is always lower field first ...
DVD are ussually progressive (when film source) where field order doesnt mater (except in reversed frames - seen that before) .. other than that dvd's are NOT ussually upper field -- they can be both or one or the other and there is no set rule.

also please realize that MANY home dvd players can handle higher bit rate burned dvd's but MANY also can not .. if yours can-- go ahead , but if you are going to say - send some out to people and want max. compatability -- you have to lower bit rates and use 100% compliant encoding (GOP structure , etc ) ...

That's interesting. I had a similar problem with jittery DVD's and so I changed the field order in CCE to upper field and now I don't have that problem. Progressive frames can also be checked, but if your source video isn't progressive, I don't see what that will do esepecially if you don't have a Progressive Scan DVD player or TV capable of playing progressive frames, unless you watch them on your computer only.