Is HDTV needed, because NTSC suck ?

[SingSing]

US is pushing toward HDTV, and Japan too, who still have
analog HDTV brocast.

Is this only necessary because NTSC suck but PAL is oaky ?

The fact is US produce most of the contene for the world,
so whatever US have to go through, it will take the world with it !

[vitualis]

Please post in the appropriate forum. (moved: Latest News --> Off Topic)

I don't know if HDTV is "needed", but it certainly looks a lot better than standard TV. The standard TV has been around for a very long time (even HDTV has been around for a long time!) and HDTV is probably the next step though adoption worldwide is very slow.

It don't think it has anything to do with NTSC vs. PAL...

Regards.

[arealgijoe]

It is about MONEY, M_O_N_E_Y!

They could have more easily went to a 25hz rate and a wider screen using analog. HDTV is not the whole story by any means. With what they are calling HDTV system, you may be watching good old fashion resolution, in fact one advantage of teh new HDTV system as they will be able to broadcast more than one program at a time. Like SAP only you will be able to chose from totally seperate video programs. A station could broadcast a sprots game and a movie at the same time on the same HDTV channel.

In case you have not noticed, soemtimes advertising can consume around 50% of a movie on comercial TV. One night I got tired of so much comercial time watching a Bond move a month or so ago. I timmed it and was shocked at teh ration of movie minutes v comercial minutes.

JD

[Faustus]

Uh... if you've seen an HDTV in person then you'd see why its coming... not needed but very nice. And I've seen PAL and it doesn't compaire really. HDTV is totally sweet.

[mrtristan]

I would love to have HDTV as the standard broadcast format. I couldn't really tell the difference, until I started to do video editing.

On a side note, I think the broadcasting in America just sucks. My wife and I visited Japan in April and the tvs were so much clearer. The air signals in two of the cities that we stayed in were clearer than my cable, at home. That's just silly.

[SingSing]

The video quality on US suck may have a motivation.
A lot of Movie showed on local stations and cables
has worse quality than a VHS tape. I think this is
a way to discourage viewer recording them on VCR.
The recorded movie will be bad enough that it wouldn't
be a threat to the studio.

You really can't record movie anymore with the portion of
commerical breaks. The Aliens movie is more than 3 hours
on cable. ( The actual movie is about 2 hours ).

By the way, there are VCR can skip commercial break,
can they skip recording commercial break too ?

[ChrisX]

This is why we in America have cable TV, this due to the NTSC video quality as the best this way. NTSC off air TV is horrible and PAL TV is better this way.

PAL TV got better quality images than NTSC generally. I view my DVD's as NTSC or PAL and they aren't much difference on the TV. NTSC is best on cable, satellite and video viewing. But, not from off-air TV broadcasting.

I really don't know whether HDTV is the answer to the visual quality of NTSC. DVD viewing of a movie is digital anyway and this may be a guide. HDTV may improve the off air TV reception in America , we just have to wait and see. HDTV is still too expensive and have a long way to go.

I think to make sense, get rid of the PAL vs NTSC and make the world as one standard HDTV format.

[buzzrock]

I am welcoming HDTV in the states..
Hell, I love HDTV monitors without HDTV Signal..
The ability to turn a 480I into 480P makes a helluva difference in analog, and coupled with a progressive scan dvd player its just sweet.
Add the Squeeze (fitting an anamorphic dvd movie into the actual movie window not wasting the resolution on the black bars).. Although most tv's can do this when enterning the service menu.
Its coming, and it looks good, and why not?
Ya know most people dont mind spending 1500 bucks on a computer that they will probably replace in 3 years or so, but you tell them to spend 2000 bucks on a HDTV and they freak! That much for a tv?
But that tv will be in your living room for years to come,,
This Point of View is Coming from The USA, so I cant comment on the quality of oversea's signals.
But I Do know this 2006 is right around the corner, might as well get used to the fact HDTV is here to stay.

[SingSing]

Add the Squeeze (fitting an anamorphic dvd movie into the actual movie window not wasting the resolution on the black bars).. Although most tv's can do this when enterning the service menu.
Its coming, and it looks good, and why not?

Can you explain why the amount of black bars are smaller in anamorphic
DVD ? and why most DVD are full screen or wide screen or wide and full fulle screen ( like pixar ).

What are the service menu items that you have in mind ?

[zzyzzx]

I would love to have HDTV as the standard broadcast format. I couldn't really tell the difference, until I started to do video editing.

On a side note, I think the broadcasting in America just sucks. My wife and I visited Japan in April and the tvs were so much clearer. The air signals in two of the cities that we stayed in were clearer than my cable, at home. That's just silly.

That's because most cable companies degrade the signal before sending it out on the cable lines so that they can send out more channels. I'm not kidding either

Try comparing US broadcast TV to Japan broadcast TV viewed on the same TV using the same signal, and it should look the same. The systems are identical.

[SingSing]

All the channels on cabel should have the band width.
The degration is definitely intentional.
If you watch a talk show or live shw on cable,
they are pretty clear. But if the movie is on cable,
it look fuzzy. If the same movie is on NBC, CBS, ABC,
it will be clear and bright.

Good point, te NTSC in Japan does look clearer, may be
they have more up to date/better video equipment than US.

[buzzrock]

Can you explain why the amount of black bars are smaller in anamorphic
DVD ? and why most DVD are full screen or wide screen or wide and full fulle screen ( like pixar ).

What are the service menu items that you have in mind ?

Here is the world's easiest explantion, or so they claim

The squeeze trick is located on bottom, some tv's do automatically, or on remote, without service menu.. any newer wega 27inch or higher has it, some panny's, and most 4:3 HDTV's

http://gregl.net/videophile/anamorphic.htm

[jeex]

The ability to turn a 480I into 480P makes a helluva difference in analog, and coupled with a progressive scan dvd player its just sweet.

can you recommend a dvd that will show off how good an hdtv picture can be?

a friend of mine just purchased a panasonic 53' inch widescreen hdtv, and he's already got a progressive scan dvd player hooked up through rgb cables..

he was showing me harry potter on it, and i noticed artifacts.. it was the full screen version of harry potter, so that might have made a difference..

[buzzrock]

can you recommend a dvd that will show off how good an hdtv picture can be?

Well any 16:9 enhanced for widescreens (otherwise knows as anamorphic widescreen) should show that baby off. Widescreen Tv's are the reason they make those movies in that mode..

I dont own a 16:9 but running a fullscreen movie on one you would have 2 choices.

One would be to have the grey bars on the sides and keep its aspect ratio, or to "stretch" the movie to full screen.

I imagine the artifacts or from either the stretching or maybe lack or a 3:2 pulldown (or 2:3 some people call it).

Try Shrek or Terminator 2, they should be really clean. Also SW2 AOTC.
All these dvd's are great "show-off" discs to make your friends jealous.

I'm not familar with that model of tv, and dont know what DVD player he was using, but a lack of a pulldown would cause artifacts..