Is 5.1 encoding to DVD+R possible?

[cellarboy]

Is 5.1 encoding to DVD+R possible?

I normally rip DVD to AVI, then encode AVIs to DVD MPEG with TMPEGEnc and get great 2 channel stereo results... but is it possible to rip and encode the original 5.1 sound?

If so how do I start and what software will I need?

Cellarboy

[andydd]

Of course it is...Dont bother converting to AVI. Just use DVD decrpyter or smartripper to rip the DVD exactly as it as and burn it onto your DVD+R..Simple.

[pvanosta]

Andydd:

I use Smartripper or CLAD (when Smartripper gets stuck). I still end up with 2-channel stereo.

My sequence:
CLAD/Smartripper
TMPGENC
Spruce
Gear Pro DVD

What am I missing?

[jtor]

pvanosta,

...Smartripper (or CLAD) has nothing to do with your problem of getting 2channel stereo in the end. It's the 'NEXT STEPS' in your process that's doing it.

As suggested by andydd, all you need to do is rip, then burn.

Suggest you check out the 'HOW TO' section.

[pvanosta]

jtor:
Thanks for the feedback. Now: I have checked out several HowTo's in this board and maybe I'm missing something.
Going backwards, The burning software I use (Gear Pro DVD) , requires AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS files to burn a DVD.
The only way I know how to produce those, is with Spruce.

The Spruce looks for m2v or mpeg files. Ripping the DVD does not give me an m2v file, so I have to convert the ripped DVD into MPEG-2.
Which is where TMPGenc comes in.

I'd be happy to learn another way of doing things...

[garryheather]

That's all well and good if the ripped movie fits on a DVD-R...

I suggest having a look at the IFOEdit guide at http://doom9.org.

If you need to re-encode the video at a slower bitrate to get it to fit your blank, the way I've read it is that you can use IFOEdit to remultiplex the video (D2V) that you've created into the original VOB file in place of the original, bigger video content. I take it then that it will not screw up the original audio, which is what you hope to achieve.

I'd like to say I haven't had the chance to try this yet, so if it works, please post back and let me know how it went !

Regards,

Garry

[epo]

So, use Prassi or Nero. You don't need to reauthor, just burn. Right?!

[garryheather]

Not if the movie is bigger than 4.7G or so...

If it is, you can either strip out all the languages and soundtracks you won't need and hope it then fits, or you have no choice but to re-encode the video at a slower rate to get the filesize down. Or buy the movie... ?

Words like Quart and Pint Pots spring to mind... a lot of films will not fit on a DVD-R, you know. Ever heard of DVD-9 and above ? Dual layer discs ?

Here's a list of some of the films that WILL fit with a simple rip - although you might have to tweak the IFO's to allow just the movie to be put on the disc in a playable form, minus menus, extras etc:

http://webplus.dvd-recordable.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=s...wcontent&id=11

Hope that helps !

Garry.

[jtor]

jtor:
Thanks for the feedback. Now: I have checked out several HowTo's in this board and maybe I'm missing something.

I went to the HOW TOs/DVD RIP... and copied the IFOEDIT guide link...

http://mpucoder.kewlhair.com/derrow/#Faq

There you'll find diff scenarios, and what to do for each. I would recommend that you download the ZIPd IFOEDIT guides....it was very helpful.

The basic things that you'll need would be a ripper (CLAD, Smartripper), IFOEDIT and NERO. You can get IFOEDIT from the link above.

garryheather is right, that this is applicable only to movies that would fit a DVD-R. But then, I wouldn't think that you'll go through all these (and the steps that you've mentioned) if the movie will not fit DVD-R.

hope this helps.

[pvanosta]

Thank you all for your input.

I'll read up on IFOedit and its uses.

In the meantime, stereo isn't so bad...

[epo]

As I get this, original poster needs to reencode/reauthor only to get required tree structure.
As about DVD-9. Have seen only 1 DVD so far, that actually fits to DVD-5 and this was double sided with full/wide versions But there are methods to copy them to 2 disks (or 9.4GB disk) without reencoding.
Above DVD-9? Will we actually have DVD-17 one day? Who knows?

[cellarboy]

Thanks for all your comments, I will be using DVD Decripter 3 to do this in future as it seams the easiest way. (providing the movie is less than 4.5GB)

Cellarboy

[andydd]

pvanosta.

God knows how you are ending up with stereo (unless the dvd you are ripping is only stereo to start with). 99% of dvds are in Dolby Digital 5.1 and if you just rip the files...then thats what u will get ! Unless you are using the stream processing setting and only choosing the stereo track.

[thippe]

can i get d.d. 5.1 by using DVD2DVD-R ?????


i'm just getting into dvd burning....been doing svcd's for awhile.
I assume this is possible.

[_fester_]

If it helps anyone, my steps for ripping and burning Dolby Digital Audio and ripped video streams to DVD+R are like this:

IF DISK is DVD-5 or a small DVD-9. First, change yer settings in DVD decryptor on the IFO mode settings, to where it says File Splitting, change that to NONE.

1. DVD Decryptor, using IFO mode, also u want to switch Enable Stream proccessing. Usually Select Main Movie FIles works, but not always. Select only the best audio source(I prefer only ripping DTS or 5.1 channel(btw 5.1 channel shows as DD 3/2 On DVD2AVI))

2. Next step, i run DVD decryptor again! Just wait, check it out: if the video files and SINGLE audio track (of DTS, 5.1 or whatever) of the disc to be ripped is gonna be less than 4.5 gb. then try this. Select the same PGC u just ripped, and switch the streams to just rip ONLY the video, also making sure to switch the Stream Settings to Demux. IF disc is a hefty DVD-9, with very high bitrate video, and long, then u will obviously not be able to use this method.

3. If u want more than 1 AC-3 track, then run DVD2AVI and make sure u use Demux All Tracks. U WILL NOT GET ANY MORE TRACKS THAN what were included on the Stream Settings on DVD decryptor when u ripped the original.

Now u have 1 vob file that has both audio and video streams( to go into DVD2AVI, so that audio can be ripped into AC-3 format) and another m2v that has all the video of your rip in 1 file. Bring these 2 files into spruce, which can recompile those two files into DVD-VIdeo standard files.

Things i found out: DVD2AVI can only rip audio streams when there is a video stream included in the VOB u are working with. Also, Spruce DVD maestro lies when it says (if u are trying to use ONLY a DTS audio source)" A DTS audio track must include one other audio source..." blah blah blah its bullshit. I ripped and burned a backup of Nightmare before CHristmas with only the DTS and a demuxed m2v from the disc.

I have successfully ripped and burned 20 100 % compliant DVDs in the last week. And I talk to much. Just trying to give a little back after I learned so much here....

[pvanosta]

Andydd:

I'm always willing to learn, especially as I'm a relative n00b when it comes to DVD ripping.

I use (in that order)

CLAD
DVD2AVI
TMPGenc
SpruceUp
Gear Pro DVD

Nowhere do choose NOT to include any audio channel info.
Yet, I only end up with 2-channel stereo.
Not that that is a big deal, but if i can make it 5.1, I'd be very happy. So please enlighten me.

[_fester_]

pvanosta: You can use DVD2AVI to rip the audio files. Most new movies use Dolby Digital 5.1 on at least 1 audio track now, the trick is to switch audio track #s in DVD2AVI while you preview the movie(which you probably do, to check the aspect ratio and stuff). This will let you see which track correspongs to which audio track.

Also, I use the same software as you pvanosta. As for ripping, I use only DVD-Decryptor now, you might want to give it a shot, its got all the features you need and its relatively fast.

[pvanosta]

Thanks for the input, fester.
I'll take a closer look at DVD2AVI and the way it handles audio files.

thanks again.

P

[_fester_]

You could try this too:

http://www.digital-forums.com/dvd2dvdr/part2.htm

that entire guide has worked the best for me....

[shift]

Hello all,just a quick question regarding all above.TMPGEnc stopped encoding at 2gig.Is this a fault.
Kind Regards,Shift.