Svcd problem?

[Codyduck]

Hi there everyone.....I need some help i'm using dvd decrypter to rip and dvd2avi to frame serve and finally tmpg to encode to svcd and i'm using nero to burn at 4x now the problem i'm having i hear is common and i would like some tips or recomendations if it all possible all the help i can get will be greatly apprecited after i go through all the steps and check the final mpeg whenever there is movement i get a block look to the picture is there anyway i can correct this the picture quality is excellent except for when there is movement....if anyone has any good tips or tricks please let me know thanks much

[Agent 0008]

I think it's standard when dealing with SVCD's, I have the samething happen. Any movement it distorts a bit. My understanding is you need to bump up the settings to make the video qaulity higher making it a XVCD I think they call it, hopefully someone will post that has done this.

[Codyduck]

Well i'm still having the same problem and i can't figure out how to fix it if i can't fix it i will just stick with vcd format quality isn't as good as svcd but i don't get that blocky look in the vcd format

[Mordant]

Are you using VBR? Try setting the resolution to 352x480 (CVD format) instead of the 480x480 SVCD...use 2 pass VBR encoding with TMPGenc.

Or better yet, try the DVD2SVCD program with CCE and 4-5 pass encoding.

How much video are you trying to get on one CD? If you go much over 50min you are going to lower quality...with 352x480 and CCE you can get 60+min at a good quality level.

[Codyduck]

this may seem like a really dumb question but that's why i'm a newbie i ask dumb questions what is cce?

[offline]

cce= Cinema Craft Encoder: a software encoder (like tmpgenc)
only faster & better quality except at vcd where most agree tmpgenc is
the better option.

[Codyduck]

i see.....thankzzz....gonna have to check it out

[tmcmvd]

CCE is best, but TMPGenc isn't worse... when using S-VCD or (X)-S-VCD remember to use the right resolution. Jerky playback on movement might be a field order problem. Select in TMPGenc to swap fields, Field A first or not... just try both... If picture is fine when standing still and stutters when moving, it's a field swap problem. When you are referring to blockyness just use a higher bitrate..about 4500-4800 should do and should play on most dvd players with 4 speed drive.

Remember in good X-S-VCD quality with reasonable sound you will only fit 30 minutes on a 800 mb cd.

SVCD with low (vcd) bitrates is a waste of time...

Try this out and post the result.

[Codyduck]

Well i've downloaded dvd2svcd and i downloaded a trial version of cce now i've went thru all the steps and everything worked except i burnt the disc or whatever and all i got was a green screen that says cinema craft encoder and i can hear the audio from the movie??????? any help?

[tmcmvd]

what did you burn it with ? try making a CBR program stream MPEG with CCE and 192 kbps audio. try a video bitrate of 2000. This does not give best queality, but for trying it's fine.

make sure you use compliant SVCD resolution 480x480 for NTSC since cce cannot resize.

Use (a tryout version) of Nero to burn a SVCD. Close the burn wizard and select SVCD, drag te MPEG into it and burn. If the MPEG is not compliant NERO will complain and tell you where the problem lies.

If your DVD is truly compatible it will run !


Video:
max 2524 kbit/sec MPEG-2 (if the audio is in 224 kbit/s), audio + video bitrate max bitrate is 2748 kbit/s.
480 x 480 pixels
29,97 frames/second
23,976 frames/second (NTSC Film)
with up to 4 Subtitles

Audio:
from 32 - 384 kbit/sec MPEG-1 Layer2
with up to 2 Audio Tracks

Extra :
Menus and chapters.
Still pictures 704x480,352x240

[banjazzer]

Well, just to add a bit of balance I do not think it necessary to use CCE to get the highest quality SVCD. I watch SVCDs on a 32" Sony TV, and they are near indistinguishable from DVD, except for the lack of Dolby Digital sound. However, I do use TMPG's CQ mode. For the record, I use Smartripper to rip the DVD, DVD2AVI to extract the audio and to provide the project file for TMPG. In TMPG I use CQ set between 75 and 85, min bitrate=350, max bitrate=2520, enable padding ticked, and motion search precision=high quality. I defy anyone using those settings, which will give 50-60 minutes per disc, to get anything other than excellent results. 8)

And I encourage people to look here: http://www.svcd.cc/index.htm

[Executioner]

Thanks banjazzer for that link. Great info there at the site.

[Codyduck]

Thankz for everyone's help.....I successfully made a svcd using dvd2svcd but this time using tmpg as the encoder....the picture quality was excellent and there wasn't any block when there was movement it worked excellent and it made it in two discs i like this thank you again for all the help i love this site and all the people on the boards who help us newbs out

[Psycho_Dad_Rules]

Codyduck,

Try to get your hands on CCE v2.50. This is the only version which works with DVD2SVCD. The pro's over TMPGenc are that CCE : overall quality is better, it supports multi-pass VBR encoding (9-pass max) which creates far better quality than TMPGenc, and it's a lot faster than TMPGenc.
If you loved a TMPGenc SVCD, you should see one made with CCE 2.50

Greetz,

pSyChO dAd

[banjazzer]

It is not actually agreed that CCE will give a better quality than TMPG using its CQ mode. It is quite possibly better than TMPG using its 2-pass VBR. There are devotees here who believe CCE is the Holy Grail, but most have probably not used TMPG's CQ setting because they prefer to know exactly how big their encoded file will be!

I have not tested both products using their best mode, but plenty of people have. However, I can already produce SVCD barely distinguishable from DVD, so I have no particular urge to test out CCE, even though I have a copy somewhere.

[Codyduck]

well i will try to find v2.50 but in the mean time i've ran across a problem that i didn't notice cause i was so excited over the quality of the picture....my audio isn't aligned couple seconds off there's no trailers or anything like that in the begining of the movie to throw it off. I'm using tmpg as the encoder at the moment this is using the dvd2svcd bundle with tmpg as the enocoder i used all the settings that the guide tells you to what could be my problem ???

[Psycho_Dad_Rules]

Banjazzer: I'm not the kinda guy that forms an oppinion by what other people say, nor by testing only one option. I've tried about every setting in TMPGenc AND in CCE to see which was the best for me. I use a lot of high motion scenes, and have found out that CCE works best for me. I'm not saying it's the holy grail though. But it's what works best for me. This might be completely different for someone else.

Codyduck: send me an email (Use button on forum) and i'll send you the CCE 2.50 trail which i use. This might fix your problem in DVD2SVCD, though i have no clue why TMPGenc isn't working for you, coz it should.

Greetz,

pSyChO dAd