Laser disc into vcd

[willie.z]

Dear Everyone,

Last week a woman ordered me to copy the contents of a laser disc into vcd. she also want that if later she runs the vcd in a video cd player, the main sound must be able to be turned off while the background music must still can be heard. it appears that she wants to use it for karaoke activity. OOhh maaannn, I got confused for the woman is my MOTHER... how hard it is to be a good son... hiiikss.....

Then I asked a friend of mine and he said that i must have a video card with connector where to connect the laser disc player with my PC also the video card must have the ability to capture video or I can buy a video capture separately. and he also said that to have the main sound turned off I must have and use software like people use when dubbing a film. OOhhh man this is the second time I got confused......
Is all what my friend said was right? I personally doubt it...I would rather trust you guys on the internet.

At present I use Elsa Gladiac 511 64mb video card and i see that there is no connector to connect the laser disc player with my computer. Then what video capture card should use and buy? also what software is the most reliable one to use so that i can make my mom's order completed.
So anybody who read this message and know how to solve this problem, pleeeeaaaseee reply .....Thaaanx for the help.

[BJ_M]

just an interisting note on laser disk players ... laser disk players are the one device where the composite output is better quality than s-video .. becuase the way the picture is stored on the disk ...

as for your question - see over here .........
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lots of guides for cap and encode ... and cap cards ..

[thxkid]

WOW!!! I must be crazy then because I have owned over 500 Laser Discs up to 6 different players since 1986 and S-Video always looks better than Composite, granted laser disc video is stored as analog at 425 lines of Res. with channels for Digital sound and on the analog sound a channel for AC-3 Digital Dolby and the other for usually audio commentary, Since composite is really only good upto 330 lines I guess its a waste to use the S-video thats good upto over 500 lines of resolution on disc that has 425 lines, granted some players sub $300 models were only good for 400 lines but my top of the line $900 pioneer dual sided, digital effects AC-3 player topped out at 425 lines. I guess my player is not the norm because by josh the S-video blows the crap out of the composite ouput.
and some of my Laser discs make the DVD counter part look like crap.
Thats while viewing on a 36in screen also.

[DOGLOOP]

Valid THX,

Here's why in a short answer.

If the comb filter in the tv is better than the one on LD player composite looks better, if the LD's comb filter is better then BAM! .... it looks better .... i have an older at-the-time top o' the line Yamaha that looks jam-up awesome thru s-video & has toslink digital out ... but needs mod for AC-3 ..... and the s-video is as good/better than composite sharp & crisp!!

[BJ_M]

thxkid .. sorry i may need to have clarified more but i have been into laser disk players also - 1000's and 1000's of them ussually connected to video walls and/or projection and themed attraction use going back to at least 1988 i can recall .. most of these were pioneer ldv8000 (about 2 grand each ) and i still see we have about 100 of these in our warehouses for exchange purposes ..

In the IEC 857 (aka Philips/MCA LaserVideo, aka LaserDisc) standard, the
signal is already in composite form on the disc, not component. Doing the
composite-to-Y/C separation step in the player, and having "S-video" Y/C
output on LD only makes sense if:

- the Y/C separator circuit of the player is better than the one in the
monitor/TV, and...

- the rest of the monitor/TV (the one with the inferior Y/C sep) video
circuitry is still good enough so you can tell that there is a difference.

If the monitor/TV does a poor job of Y/C sep, it is likely to have other
deficiencies that mask any difference between the two inputs.

So LD "S-video" either doesn't matter,
or it only matters when it doesn't matter :-)

OR in the case of projectors used then and now -- they do NOt have very good y/c speration because thier video engines were devoloped origanlly for graphics (short explaination) . i am used to large screen projection - often to huge size and in the days when i used such monsters as talaria and edophor projectors - or source still was laser disk or sometimes tape -- though rarely tape as video tape machines didnt like travel .. i recall projection on sides of building, a lot of rock concerts and waterfalls were a popular thing

The reality of LD Y/C is that some folks report that Y/C is a tiny bit
better than composite, some can't see a difference, and some
report that Y/C is slightly worse. It depends on your particular equipment. If you are using a multi-standard
(NTSC-PAL) LD player and multi-standard TV, you may very well see better
results with a Y/C connection, due to the poor NTSC circuits in many
multi-std PAL TVs. As also with early projection tv.

Theoretically, it is possible for the LD player to do a better job of Y/C
sep than the monitor. The LD player can be tuned to the properties and
problems unique to LD, particularly in the area of rotational time-base
correction prior to Y/C sep. Most were not.

players like the famous Pioneer LD-S2 (NTSC, US$3500) had expensive
TBC and sep circuits, to be sure, but that is not why the Y/C output is
better than the composite. The composite video is NOT tapped at the output of the TBC prior to Y/C sep. It is synthesized by recombining AFTER on-board Y/C sep. You'll want to use the "S-video" outputs on the LD-S2. Otherwise, you'll be performing Y/C sep TWICE. $900 is to mind bottom of the line laser disk player - but i guess I am more used to pro or semi pro equipment (not saying it has better picture than yours -- but it cost a hell of lot more) .

on a note to above - i was thinking of selling my entire collection of DTS laser disks on ebay -- every dts laser disk made including unreleased. since i have 2 or more of most of each because of Complimentary copies from them. (i am in the movie/Entertainment industry)