dish network and field order?? what is it???

[alucard2050]

i am capturing useing Huffyuv codec and my goal is to make SVCD's with both fields....first. am i correct in saying that with both fields the picture is better in a SVCD than in a VCD? second...i make great VCD's....i make fantastic SVCD's from DVD rips but when it comes to capturing and then makeing a SVCD, the quality is bad...i mean it doesn't even compare to the VCD's i make...i have tried swapping the field order but that doesn't work....here's an example of what i'm talking about...when i first tried SVCD's from DVD rips i was getting a bad ghost effect then i just switched the field order and that cleaned it up...but, i try that now with my captures and it doesn't work either way....like i said, i am capturing with Huffyuv and encodeing with THMPGE useing the SVCD template that comes with it.....can anyone help? is it the field order? is it something to do with 3:2 pulldown??? i just dont know...............

[Anonymous65]

I record from DISH all the time, and there is nothing special about the video from the DISH receiver.

[alucard2050]

OK...what do you capture at?? i get those nice little interlace lines when i cature and i want to encode to a SVCD with both fields so the picture is better...but like i said my results are worse than a XVCD that i make with NO interlace and a much lower bitrate.....

[circleking]

Although I capture from DirecTV (don't even ask how I get DirecTV in Canada), I'm sure the format is the same as Dish; I use AVI_IO for capture. In capture settings I use 29.97 frame rate, and with custom frame size checked and set to 480x480. For compression I use PICVideo MJPEG codec set to 18 or 19. I usually drop 1 to 2 frames during an entire movie---sometimes none. Of course this is interlaced as is all NTSC video.

When I encode I use TMPGEnc with these settings:

Under SETTINGS/ADVANCED: Video source type = interlace, Field order = top field first (field A), Source aspect ratio = 4:3 display.

Under SETTINGS/VIDEO: Stream type = MPEG-2 video, Size = 480x480, Aspect Ratio = 3:4 display, Frame rate = 29.97, Rate control mode = 2pass VBR(VBR) [mine's set at 2300 max], Profile & Level (I never change this from the default), Video format = NTSC, Encode mode = interlace, YUV format (I never change this from default either), DC component precision = 10 bits, Motion search precision = highest quality(very slow). At these settings encoding a full movie can take several hours with Athlon 1900XP.

These settings capture both fields and play with excellent quality on my standalone DVD players.

I either use VCDeasy or VCDimager combined with CDRWin to burn the disc.

[alucard2050]

i tried it again...i have tried both the field orders yet i still get those interlace lines. its as if neither top or bottom works...no matter which one i select i get the same thing...am i missing something here?

[Anonymous65]

Yes, I think you're missing something. When capturing x480 mode, you will always get interlaced video, that is the NTSC standard. When viewing any NTSC video on a PC monitor, you will always have interlaced video. If you don't like to have the video interlaced, you will have to deinterlace the video during capture or afterwards. You can make a SVCD with deinteralced video at 480x480, but the quality when playing it on a TV set is better when the video is interlaced, meaning you will have the interlace lines when watching the video on a PC monitor. But, if you want to play the SVCD on a PC monitor, then go ahead and de-interlace the video and make a SVCD. Now, when playing the disk on a PC, you will not see the interlace lines.

[tmcmvd]

Keep your video interlaced when looking S-VCD on TV.
Make it deinterlaced (BOB is Best !) for looking on PC Monitor.

Best way is interlaced playback on good DVD player on normal TV.

Deinterlacing coused artifacts during motion, but is always better then deinterlaced lines during playback. Deinterlaced playback on TV will give less quality since the source was deinterlaced and modified.