WANT TO MAKE THE BEST QUALITY VCD

[BV2001]

what is the best tools to convert AVI Huff codecs to VCD
I found that
1. TMEGEncoder 5.6 is good but very slow
2. LSX Encoder 3.0 is excellent and quite fast ( good setting )
3. CCE 2.64 SP is absolutely i think the best of three to create VCD and speed is blazing fast too but the interface is not that good not a lot of settings like TMEGEncoder or LSX
any ideas and suggestion how to get the ABSOLUTE BEST VCD??
thanks
I really need suggestion
thanks

[adam]

Well you need to frameserve to cce if you want additional options but anyway cce's mpeg1 encoding (vcd) is actually quite poor. If it looks better to your eyes than TMPGenc or lsx than go ahead and use it but I personally think TMPGenc is much better for making vcds, though much slower than cce.

The general consensus is that for mpeg1 encoding the two highest quality encoders are TMPGenc and panasonic mpeg encoder.

You didn't mention what the source of your avi file is. If it originated at 24fps (film) than you should do an inverse telecine and encode at 23.976fps. This gives you %20 more bitrate and there is not a single other thing which has such a dramatic effect in quality. This may seem like alot of work and it is I suppose but you did say you wanted the best quality VCD.

As far as the settings in the specific encoders you are pretty limited if you want to totally abide by the vcd specifications. You may want to experiment with higher bitrates and even vbr if your dvd player can handle it.

[BV2001]

OK
I use Huff codecs to make AVI with NTSC 29.97 fps . Should I use Pic codecs or Huff is fine.
hmmm... CCE is that poor with MPEG1
TmegEnc is very good, no question about that but it is very slow ..
hihihi

[Jaspa]

Try the panasonic mpeg encoder 2.5 and that gives me the best quality for standard vcd´s but it is slow.

The problem i have with this encoder is,that when i made xvcd the audio i lost after skipping forward on my stand alone dvd player, so i must press stop and play again, and so the audio is back, i dont know why i have this problem. with tmpgenc or dvdx i dont have this problem with xvcd but with the panasonic encoder.

i like the quality of the encoder, less blocks and sharp (but lsx encoder is a little sharper,but has much more makkro blocks)

any ideas to solve this problem, with xvcds and the panasonic encoder?

on the desktop pc it runs fine, i made a non standard mpeg file with the panasonic encoder at a resolution 352x288 (pal) and than cut the file with tmpgenc,
i have also try to simple multiplex to a vcd in tmpgenc but it doesnt work better then.

[adam]

Are you also encoding the audio in Panasonic? Have you tried encoding the audio in another encoder such as toolame and then multiplexing them in the end?

I agree, Panasonic is a great mpeg1 encoder. I also prefer it for mpeg1 encoding over TMPGenc, or any other mpeg1 encoder for that matter.

[Jaspa]

Yes i encode the audio with the encoder, my panasonoc encoder is a plugin for premiere in DVDx2.0

I have also try to encode the audio seperatly, with DVD2AVI and HeadAC3 to wav, and then multiplex again the video and audio file, but it doesnt change anything.

I dont understand this, why i can get it correct to work on the dvd-player
the audio is fine in synch with the video,but when i skip back or forward the audio is lost.

Should i made new VCD Headers in bbmpeg?

[jolo]

I have found Panasonic not only slow, but have had it fail on me a lot, sometimes after hours.

Also I'd love to know people experience with LSX Encoder 3.5 standalone . Have heard that it won't do audio, does video only. Also, that you can't use toolame or decode to wav, then combine the audio and video.

I've found the best and modt reliable solution to be Virtual Dub to extract and decode the audio to a wav file. Then use Tmpenc, with the toolame add-in to encode in MPG-1 format. Then I use Nero to create to VCD.

[vitualis]

It depends on what you are encoding I think.

For my DVD rips (with Flask) and also with using Adobe Premiere, the Panasonic encoder has never died on me once.

I too prefer the Panasonic encoder for MPEG-1 (at VCD bitrates only) over all other encoders. TMPGEnc is very good mind you, and it is subjective on which you consider to look better. I suggest that you try out both and make up your own mind.

The Panasonic encoder is much slower, however, and v2.51 is only optimised for MMX as it is quite an old encoder. Panasonic is apparently releasing an update soon (? already has) but I haven't heard any news of it.

CCE is fast but I think that most people will agree that the quality is greatly inferior to both TMPGEnc and Panasonic for MPEG-1 at VCD bitrates.

Regards.