[u]Notice to all svcd users!! Make your svcds dvd compatible

[baker]

If you are making svcds have you ever thought what you are going to do when you get a dvd burner? 480x576 aint compatible with dvd! so if you want to convert your collection to dvd in the future it would take you a long long time!

So whats the soloution you say?
from now on use a res of 352x576!!

That res is fully dvd compatible, when you want to convert your svcd collection to dvd all you have to do is reencode the audio and burn!!

heres the plus and minus points=

plus points(3)=
+It will actually LOOK BETTER than normal svcd.
+You wont have to re-encode your WHOLE collection when you get a dvd burner.
+Its easy to change (just change your resouloution!

Minus points(1)=
-Its not really standard.

Look at those points!! 352x576 is really the way to go. About it being non standard, well that aint true either.

you will b creating a standard, cvd.

Chinese video disc is the same as svcd but it uses a different res for better quailty.

Now please tell me you aint going to ignore this and keep encdoing at 480x576(480)

Just at least try it, what harm can it do?

Some comments by users:

energy80s-Yes, I have just started experimenting with CVD and the results are excellent! I will never burn another SVCD again.

SatStorm-And yep, CVD is better SVCD.
3 things count:
The Vertical resolution, the bitrate and the compatibility
CVD has them all...

Unknown-I tried out that CVD format last night. Bloody brilliant! I don't think I'll ever burn another SVCD again!

Sat strom(again)-A CBR CVD @ 2520kb/s is much better looking a CBR SVCD @ 2520kb/s

Baker

[energy80s]

Also remember to bump up the audio sampling rate from 44.1 to 48kHz when you encode them. This will ensure full DVD compatibility in the future.

[baker]

Well energy80's I don't think thats a good idea as 48khz is a bit risky.

I kind of want to ensure as good as dvd player compatibility as possible and it dosn't take that long to convert audio files anyway.

Also is the actual video files really dvd player compatible? I mean like 1600avg bitrate is very low will a dvd actually play these without hassel.

I ask this as 352x576 with 1600 avg bitrate would fit around 3 films to a dvd discc!

Yet another plus point!

Baker

[energy80s]

48k sampling is a DVD standard the world over, if your DVD player can't resolve it then get it repaired!!

As for low bitrates, I have found that the best CVD's are CBR discs at 2496kbps. I dropped the bitrate a bit and made it VBR (0, 2050, 2496 - 2 pass) but there was a definately fall off in quality, with the image becoming more pixelated, almost as if everything had an outline. The CBR version of the same clip was noticably better. Also since I am archiving stuff for future DVD transfer it makes sense to have the best quality file to begin with.

Oh and try out Kwag's template. I know it isn't DVD compatible, but if you raise the CQ to 80 the picture quality is brilliant and you will still get 40 to 50 minutes on a disc. I'm telling you that after seeing some of the encodes on my DVD player I won't be burning another standrad VCD again either!

[baker]

Well looks like your online as u only posted this now so if you have msn i am muxer15@hotmail.com also I don't mean have the dvd at 44khz audio. I mean burn the svcd (x) at 44hz as a 48hz svcd may not be compatibile with all players.

Baker

[energy80s]

That's just it. If you are burning CVD's you are NOT encoding an SVCD so obviously you don't go by an SVCD spec. You are trying to encode a low bitrate/res DVD file that will burn/play from a CD-R disc. That's all. All DVD discs are encoded with 48k audio, so therefore all DVD players can decode 48k audio. DVD's use MPEG2 video coding so you have to use MPEG2 on your CVD's.

[AntnyMD]

Also make sure those GOPs are closed! Open GOPs and overly large GOPs in your MPEG-2 encodes should be rejected by your DVD authorware.

[baker]

Well I am trying to keep to 2 standards the svcd standard and the dvdf standard. I know the res has changed but thats all. I never make anything thats X i always make standard, i am just making a small change this time, my svcds should play on any svcd player anyway.

And also I am making A LOT of new guides, they will be comming soon and i will have an svcd one which will also double as an cvd one.

BAker

[energy80s]

Well I am trying to keep to 2 standards the svcd standard and the dvdf standard.

I'm afraid you can't do that. Pick one or the other and stick with it.

[energy80s]

Also make sure those GOPs are closed! Open GOPs and overly large GOPs in your MPEG-2 encodes should be rejected by your DVD authorware.

What do you mean by closed?

[baker]

well I amkeeping dvd standards and i am close to svcd standard.

Baker

[loumarx]

I usually rip dvd to svcd format with DVD2SVCD, single-multiplex it to MPEG-1 VCD (non-compliant) in TMPGenc, and then burn it as a non-standard vcd in Nero. It plays fine on my standalone Sony.

[baker]

What is loumarx on about?

Baker

[stimpleton]

you could always use one of the DVD templates supplied in TMPGenc and change the bitrate and audio to suit then just burn as SVCD non compliant in Nero, works for me

[loumarx]

"I usually rip dvd to svcd format with DVD2SVCD, single-multiplex it to MPEG-1 VCD (non-compliant) in TMPGenc, and then burn it as a non-standard vcd in Nero. It plays fine on my standalone Sony."

(NEVERMIND :D :D RIGHT ANSWER FOR THE WRONG QUESTION)

[baker]

I HAVE JUST NOTICED SOMETHING. WILL THE SVCD ACTULLY BE DVD COMPATIBLE CAUSE I THINK SVCD USES A DIFFERENT GOP STRUCTURE. OR DOES IT EVEN MATTER?

BAKER

[baker]

I HAVE JUST NOTICED SOMETHING. WILL THE SVCD ACTULLY BE DVD COMPATIBLE CAUSE I THINK SVCD USES A DIFFERENT GOP STRUCTURE. OR DOES IT EVEN MATTER?

BAKER

[baker]

I HAVE JUST NOTICED SOMETHING. WILL THE SVCD ACTULLY BE DVD COMPATIBLE CAUSE I THINK SVCD USES A DIFFERENT GOP STRUCTURE. OR DOES IT EVEN MATTER?

BAKER

[mol3000]

i have a couple of questions

1. can i burn this cvd to a regular cd-r and what program would i use?
2. how much of a movie can fit on it? where vcd i only takes 2 disk for a
movie how many will it take for cvd?
3. Do i set the audio bit rate at 192 or 224 ?
4. also what system type do i use (under system tab)

[baker]

1. Simply burn it as an svcd using nero.
2. well you are basicly making an svcd so 2 cds for almost all movies.
3. the audio bitrate is up to you although from 160 upwards I can't tell the difference.
4. ???

Enjoy using cvd (or xsvcd) goodbye,

Baker

[mol3000]

i converted first part of a movie to cvd but when i click on it media play comes up with this " Unable to download an appropriate decompressor. (Error=80040200) " also it comes up to be 942 mb can i overburn that to a 80min cd using nero?????? also baker, under tmpgenc the last tab when u setting configurations is call system tab and i wanted to know which selection to pic

[baker]

80 min cds only hold something like 790mb so sorry!! An it can't play it because it hasn't heard of it before. rty getting the mpeg 2 codec sfrom the toolz section on the right of the screen.

Baker

[pinkfloyd6]

how bout making a TMPGEnc Template and guide for this site so if this post should go away it will always be here

also im interested where you learned this and if there is a prog to use for ta direct convertion of a avi to a cvd cause ive never heard of a cvd thanks
pinkfloyd6

[baker]

cvd is basically svcd with a res of 352x480(576) so simply open the svcd templet and change the res to 352x 576(480) and voila! cvd. The advanatge of tjs is samaller file size with the same (almost) picture quailty.

Baker

[mol3000]

all i need to know that if i stick it in a dvd player will it just up and play.... u did say that cvd is automatically dvd compatible......also this is the only mpeg 2 codec i saw

"MPEG2...... Codec Play MPEG2 directly with Windows Media Encoder and you can also open MPEG2 directly in most encoders such as TMPGEnc. Warning! This codec may cause sync problems when playing MPEG2s if so use instead WinDVD or PowerDVD. Freeware"

i was wondering if there is another one out there.... especially that doesnt cause sync problems with the audio (hates when that happen)

[SatStorm]

Later this week, I'll publish a CVD Faq .
Next week, maybe I'll be able to publish a guide too.

[mol3000]

but can u answer those ?'s above

[Betamax]

An other answer to the poll :
no - I've tried it, but it seemed to be unacceptable at my standalone DVD player.

This is what I vote.

[Bizarro]

SatStorm or anybody else I have a couple of Q's for ya ::
1) What is the min bitrate DVD players can handle in CVD format ??
Example :: can a 820kbs vbr vs 2100kbs vbr CVD be capatable with DVD specs ??
2) Will 48mhz mp2 sound easily convert over to DVD or will I have to de- mux and mux over to PCM or Ac3 ??
3) Is there a program out there that will 'forgive' the rez (352x480) and
audio(mp2) when putting it on to DVD ???

I have ALOT of films and such in Svcd format using Sefy's but I changed
audio to 44Mhz . What is the best program out there to get it to 48Mhz ??
(For anybody who posts a answer to this question, please give procedure in converting )
.............................................thank you Bizarro

[baker]

@ mol3000,
cvd is dvd compatible and should be compatible with most svcd players.

@ SatStorm
A cvd faq??? What on earth questioned could ppl have??

@ Betamax
Double check that! Perhaps you just made it wrong.

@ Bizarro
1) What is the min bitrate DVD players can handle in CVD format ??
Example :: can a 820kbs vbr vs 2100kbs vbr CVD be capatable with DVD specs ??
Good question. When making a svcd always have a max of around 2600. I don't know id this is actually compatible with dvd!

2) Will 48mhz mp2 sound easily convert over to DVD or will I have to de- mux and mux over to PCM or Ac3 ?? Well I reccomend 44000hz as its svcd sompatible so that will have to be reencoded anyway and you will have to do a small wee bit to it to be dvd compatible anyway.


3) Is there a program out there that will 'forgive' the rez (352x480) and
audio(mp2) when putting it on to DVD ??? The res is a standard!!! All dvd progies should allow this res!!

I have ALOT of films and such in Svcd format using Sefy's but I changed
audio to 44Mhz . What is the best program out there to get it to 48Mhz ??

I dont know, but doom9 would have a good program for this so try there.

Baker