heads up on not another teen movie

[poopyhead]

hey guys,

just another heads up cuz i'm prolly gonna end up encoding this movie 3 times. if any of u r like me, you're gonna assume that most new movies released on DVD are FILM, so you wouldn't bother looking at the video type when you're creating the project file in dvd2avi....WRONG

i treated not another teen movie as FILM by forcing film in dvd2avi, but after i encoded it twice (1st time just regular force film, 2nd time force film + de-interlace in tmpgenc) i noticed it looked alot like NTSC...and BINGO, i was lazy and looked at dvd2avi's info box for like the first quarter of the movie when it was 99% FILM, but for the rest of the movie NTSC went as high as 30%....

so just heads up, best bet is to treat this movie as NTSC and turn off forced film in dvd2avi and use the NTSC template in tmpgenc

[deltaboy]

POOPYHEAD... im working on this too. i usually always force film in DVD2AVI. what difference does it make anyway if youre planning to encode at a vertical resolution of 240 or playing on your standalone?

[poopyhead]

forcing film on something that's NTSC, interlaced will generally make your rip have horizontal lines and also the video will be really jumpy and stuttering

this is for SVCD, i've not had very much experience w/ VCDs, so i can't say for sure...

but i can definitely say that the movie should not be treated as FILM, because part of it was 30-40% NTSC

maybe for VCD, the lower vertical resolution will not make a difference, but i know for SVCD, it does

[deltaboy]

cool... thanks for the input.

[stanwebber]

what ver of dvd2avi are you using? the preview box should pop up when you save a project and inform you of the film percentage for the complete project at the end. since the movie was released theatrically you should have no problems inverse telecining & encoding 23.976fps + pulldown

[mikewg]

Or instead of all this hassle, just capture your movie instead of ripping it. Capturing a movie is the way of the future!!

[poopyhead]

Or instead of all this hassle, just capture your movie instead of ripping it. Capturing a movie is the way of the future!!

wut...capping it is never gonna yield as high of a quality as ripping it directly from the vob source

[poopyhead]

what ver of dvd2avi are you using? the preview box should pop up when you save a project and inform you of the film percentage for the complete project at the end. since the movie was released theatrically you should have no problems inverse telecining & encoding 23.976fps + pulldown

that could be another method...but i'm saying wut to do if you don't wanna use inverse telecine. encoding it at 23.976 fps + pulldown WITHOUT IVTC will give problems (that's wut i'm saying since dvd2avi's info box points out really higher percentage of NTSC during parts of the movie)

[mikewg]

True, but when you're going to VCD format, I can't tell the difference between a ripped movie and a captured movie. Plus the benefit is that you don't need to buy a DVD-ROM, you can just use your DVD player to capture from. As often as I watch movies (which is not often), I don't care if the quality is at 100% or if it's at 98%. If I'm going to watch a DVD often, I'll buy the DVD. Capturing to 352x240 VCD is THE WAY TO GO!

[poopyhead]

mikewg, try comparing the prices of a dvd-rom and a good cap card

[mikewg]

DVD-ROMs are good for ripping DVD movies, and watching DVDs on your computer (which no one does, everyone rips them to either watch them on the computer without the DVD-ROM part, or they rip them to make a VCD to watch on their DVD player).

Capture Cards are good for capturing movies, DVDs, VHS, TV Shows, camcorders, everything. DVD Roms are $60-$80. My ATI AIW cost me $150 a year ago, so I'm sure you can get one for $100 now.

Regardless of price... capturing is the way to go. It's not a money issue... why own both when you can get everything with the capture card. People dismiss it without even giving it a thought. They say "You can't get as high of a quality without ripping it", though they truely don't know because they've never tried it. The quality is amazing, you don't have to worry about some movies not ripping good, you don't have to worry about having the wrong settings... just capture and you're done! That easy!

[poopyhead]

yea...but when we're ripping to SVCD format, using the source directly to encode from is definitely gonna yield better results...

btw, dvd-roms r cheaper than the range you mentioned...i've seen some for around $40

also, not everyone needs to cap tv shows, etc...in terms of just getting dvd rips, dvd-roms would be better

[stanwebber]

i'm not a child. of course blindly frame-decimating a telecined source to 23.976fps will **** it up. was it really necessary to point this out to me or to anyone for that matter? quality issues aside, ripping is easily many times faster than capturing(decoding included). when you can pickup an 8x dvdrom for $20 retail(16x for less than $50) time is a more precious commodity to me

[poopyhead]

stanwebber, i was just pointing out an alternative to using IVTC

not everyone prefers to use IVTC, forced film off in dvd2avi + NTSC template in tmpgenc may be just as good as IVTC