Rip Subtitles from PAL Dvd, Translate, Playback

[gretchington]

Hi, so recently I purchased a pal dvd with subtitles in italian. I used dvd decryptor to save it to my harddrive, and then used subrip to save the subtitles as .srt. However I noticed the timing is completely off. I even tried using vobsub on the ifo file and looking at the idx file to check the timings and those were off as well. I'm not really sure why the timing is off.

I then tried downloading subtitle edit and adjusting the fps, which synched decently to the beginning of the movie, but not the rest of it at all. I'm not entirely sure why this is happening, my theory is that perhaps something went wrong with dvd decryptor and that's why even the idx file is messed up.

However it's worth noting that when I play the vob file that I got from dvd decryptor, and enable subtitles normally, the timing is fine. Not sure why it works within the original files, but not when I load the extracted subtitles as either .sub or .srt.

Any advice would be appreciated!

[Baldrick]

Have you tried ocr/sub to srt directly with subtitle edit?

You could also try rip with something else like anydvd, dvdfab decrypter. Then use subtitle edit directly.


And how do you add back the subs? Are you loading the vobs and srt manually in your player?

[gretchington]

Have you tried ocr/sub to srt directly with subtitle edit?

You could also try rip with something else like anydvd, dvdfab decrypter. Then use subtitle edit directly.


And how do you add back the subs? Are you loading the vobs and srt manually in your player?

*EDIT sorry I read your post wrong
What do you mean by directly? I've taken the sub file I ripped w/ vobsub and then opened it in subtitle edit.

[videobruger]

In SubTitle Edit you may perform OCR on either vob/ifo or sub/idx. I made this for some other purpose but you may find it helpful

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJvU6WOBMkQ


PS: For Italian you would want to install the appropriate dictionary and possible a Tesseract file.

If you use an Windows installer place the dictionary here:

C:\Users\UserName\AppData\Roaming\Subtitle Edit\Dictionaries

[Baldrick]

I think you can open vob/ifos directly in subtitle edit.

[Baldrick]

AND you might get sync issues if you manually load srt/sup to a dvd. You could then try remux the sub to dvd vobs, see https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/277950-How-to-add-new-subtitles-to-an-existing-DVD

[gretchington]

I think you can open vob/ifos directly in subtitle edit.

So when I do that the timings also come out messed up. I don't mean only in loading it in VLC player, I mean the actual timings in the idx file are wrong when I use Subtitle Edit, SubRip, or VobSub.

I have a feeling it has to do with it being a pal dvd, so I used Subtitle Edit to adjust the framerate but it just made it worse! I'm not really sure whats going on

[jman98]

If it's really and truly PAL, the frame rate should be 25 fps. It is possible to rip PAL DVDs and get subtitles out correctly. It's been a few years since I last had to do something like that, but it is possible. Some subtitle programs default to PAL or NTSC so make sure you pick the correct default.

Your problems are VERY unusual and frankly should not be happening. I would like to verify that your DVD is actually normal. Install MediaInfo and then go into the VIDEO_TS folder on the DVD and open one of the largest VOB files there that you can find under MediaInfo and post back here what it says so we can verify that your DVD is really OK. You provide no details on the DVD or where you got it. Do note that some Ebay sellers don't know very much about the wares they sell and there's always some chance that the DVD you got is really NTSC or maybe has something quite wrong on it. Giving us the data from MediaInfo should help. Either open the largest VOB there is or if several are the same size as the largest, just pick the lowest numbered one to open. You really should see several VOBs that are all tied for being the largest. If you don't see that, that would be interesting for us to know. It's not completely out of spec to do that, but it could point to the DVD not being made correctly.

[gretchington]

If it's really and truly PAL, the frame rate should be 25 fps. It is possible to rip PAL DVDs and get subtitles out correctly. It's been a few years since I last had to do something like that, but it is possible. Some subtitle programs default to PAL or NTSC so make sure you pick the correct default.

Your problems are VERY unusual and frankly should not be happening. I would like to verify that your DVD is actually normal. Install MediaInfo and then go into the VIDEO_TS folder on the DVD and open one of the largest VOB files there that you can find under MediaInfo and post back here what it says so we can verify that your DVD is really OK. You provide no details on the DVD or where you got it. Do note that some Ebay sellers don't know very much about the wares they sell and there's always some chance that the DVD you got is really NTSC or maybe has something quite wrong on it. Giving us the data from MediaInfo should help. Either open the largest VOB there is or if several are the same size as the largest, just pick the lowest numbered one to open. You really should see several VOBs that are all tied for being the largest. If you don't see that, that would be interesting for us to know. It's not completely out of spec to do that, but it could point to the DVD not being made correctly.

i'm away until tomorrow afternoon so i'll do that then. I also want to point out i'm using an ntsc drive to rip a pal dvd. when I opened the dvd in dvd decryptor that was the message i got. it still worked but perhaps that messed it up? tomorrow afternoon i'll have the mediainfo to post. I purchased the dvd here:

http://www.deastore.com/dvd/uomo-tigre-l-serie-completa-ed-limitata-e-numerata-29-dvd-...573014858.html

[jman98]

Thanks for that link. Since this in anime, all bets are off. Let's see that MediaInfo data when you have a chance.

There's some chance that DVD Decrypter can't correctly rip your DVDs and that might be part of the problem. DVD Decrypter hasn't been updated in years and doesn't understand some new anti-copy measures that DVDs use. Since these are anime DVDs, it wouldn't surprise me at all for those discs to use those anti-copy measures. The fact that your drive is set to an NTSC region should be OK in terms of ripping, but DVD Decrypter still may have botched it for other reasons.

You might get a copy of DVDFab and use it to rip one of the DVDs. If that behaves normally and you get no subtitle problems, then you should consider buying a copy. You can use DVDFab in trial mode for a limited time, but my understanding is that they no longer have free versions you can use forever.

[gretchington]

Thanks for that link. Since this in anime, all bets are off. Let's see that MediaInfo data when you have a chance.

There's some chance that DVD Decrypter can't correctly rip your DVDs and that might be part of the problem. DVD Decrypter hasn't been updated in years and doesn't understand some new anti-copy measures that DVDs use. Since these are anime DVDs, it wouldn't surprise me at all for those discs to use those anti-copy measures. The fact that your drive is set to an NTSC region should be OK in terms of ripping, but DVD Decrypter still may have botched it for other reasons.

You might get a copy of DVDFab and use it to rip one of the DVDs. If that behaves normally and you get no subtitle problems, then you should consider buying a copy. You can use DVDFab in trial mode for a limited time, but my understanding is that they no longer have free versions you can use forever.

Here's the MediaInfo data from the first dvd! :

General
Complete name : E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_2.VOB
Format : MPEG-PS
File size : 1 024 MiB
Duration : 17mn 27s
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 8 196 Kbps

Video
ID : 224 (0xE0)
Format : MPEG Video
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : Main@Main
Format settings, BVOP : Yes
Format settings, Matrix : Custom
Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=12
Duration : 17mn 27s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 7 649 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 8 000 Kbps
Width : 720 pixels
Height : 576 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 4:3
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Standard : PAL
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.738
Time code of first frame : 00:20:30:04
Time code source : Group of pictures header
Stream size : 956 MiB (93%)
Color primaries : BT.601 PAL
Transfer characteristics : BT.470 System B, BT.470 System G
Matrix coefficients : BT.601

Audio #1
ID : 189 (0xBD)-128 (0x80)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Muxing mode : DVD-Video
Duration : 17mn 27s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : -144ms
Stream size : 24.0 MiB (2%)

Audio #2
ID : 189 (0xBD)-129 (0x81)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Muxing mode : DVD-Video
Duration : 17mn 27s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : -144ms
Stream size : 24.0 MiB (2%)

Text
ID : 189 (0xBD)-32 (0x20)
Format : RLE
Format/Info : Run-length encoding
Muxing mode : DVD-Video
Delay relative to video : 2s 840ms

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[gretchington]

I also want to add that I tried ripping the dvd to my harddrive with dvd fab and extracting the subtitles. The subtitles are off again, but this time slightly differently off. I'll try anydvd soon I guess. It may be what Baldrick was talking about with loading subtitles manually to a dvd b/c i notice although the timing is off, sometimes the subtitles wont even reappear until I reload them.

***EDIT: Good news, seems like the timing matches! I think my issue now is definitely that of what Baldrick said which is that the subtitles are not loading into the player correctly. I checked the timing by playing the dvd in one window and subtitle edit in another window to see if the timings matched from ocr of the ifo/vob. Seems good so far. I'll prob make another edit if I face another issue.

***EDIT 2: Well now further experimenting, the video plays differently in windows media player and VLC player. The timings were correct the whole time but for some reason everything is behind in VLC which is why nothing matched up. Meanwhile in windows media player everything matches up. Very strange, anyone know the reason for this?

***EDIT 3: Problem seems resolved. I'm using Media Player Classic and it plays with the correct timing. Either way, I'm glad you guys told me about DVD Fab I think I may purchase a copy. Seems much more useful and reliable! Thank you!