How to create my first HD DVD use Canon 5dMarkII video files?

[mlong30]

Hi All,

I'm trying to create my first HD dvd. I've created a series of video clips about 10-12 min long using the Canon 5D Mark II, DSLR video/camera. This camera generates .mov files with the following attributes on the file.

Video: 1920x1080x24, 29.970 fps interlaced, H.264
Audio: 48,000 Hz, 16bit, Stereo, 16-bit Little Endian

I've been using Virtual Dub in the past for 720 video, and Cinema Craft Encoder Basic to encode my video files, then use Dvdlab to generate my dvds.

Now that I'm using HD video, I'm not sure how this will change my post processing. Not sure if Virtual Dub can handle HD content. Not sure if hd video files needs to be converted to 24fps? Widescreen or Full Screen? So I guess my question is, what post processing should I use without loosing quality to generate a HD video on DVD?

Thanks.

Note: I also have Sony Vegas 8.0c


Matt

[poisondeathray]

So I guess my question is, what post processing should I use without loosing quality to generate a HD video on DVD?

The 5D doesn't make compliant blu-ray or AVCHD video , so it has to be re-encoded .

You could use vegas to edit, export uncompressed, then used multiavchd or avchdcoder to encode/author your HD content on DVD5/9 media. Technically what you are making is an AVCHD disc. Note you need a blu-ray player or PS3 to be able to play HD content (regular DVD players are SD only)

[aedipuss]

are you sure you shot 30i? from what i've read it shoots 1920x1080 30p.

[mlong30]

are you sure you shot 30i? from what i've read it shoots 1920x1080 30p.

Not sure if its progressive video or not.
Gspot 2.70 see these files as 29.971 and Sony Vegas also see these files as 29.970

Matt

[aedipuss]

could be 30p in a 30i stream. check it frame by frame for any interlacing artifacts. if it is 30p then when in vegas right click on the file and select properties and correct it to 30p.

[edDV]

What are you going to play it on?

Try the camcorder raw file on your Blu-Ray player and see if it plays. If not try to convert it with multiAVCHD.

Vegas 8c doesn't have AVCHD m2ts output format which is needed by most Blu-Ray players. It will encode to fully authored Blu-Ray spec when used with a Blu-Ray authoring program + Blu-Ray burner.

With some experimentation, Vegas8c + multiAVCHD will produce a playable AVCHD disc.

Vegas Pro 9 will encode to AVCHD directly.

[pepegot1]

Stay with SD and don't kill yourself for now.

[mp3superfreak]

Welcome to the "wild world" of HD-DSLR's! The 7D and 5dMk2 shoot 29.97, 25, or 23.97 (all Progressive) at 1080 (modes are called 1080/24, 1080/25 or 1080/30) with the 7D adding 720/60p as well. As others have mentioned, the resulting .mov file is not directly Blu-Ray compatible or AVCHD on DVD compatible with most Blu-Ray players. Some, such as the LG-BD390/570/590 MAY play these files directly as my Western Digital WDTV Live Plus player will.

I guess before we can answer your question we need to know what "HD on DVD" means to you? Sure, you can burn the raw files to DVD, but they would be playable only on high-end computers or a handful of Blu-Ray or Media Player boxes (WDTV, Asus O'Play, etc.). What is your intended audience?

[edDV]

Also tell us your Vegas project settings since version 8 doesn't have a native AVCHD project.

You can output in version 8 to Blu-Ray MPeg2. MultiAVCHD will take that and create an AVCHD disc structure on DVDR 5/9 without further recode. I'd recommend 25Mb/s at the camera's native resolution and frame rate.

[mlong30]

I guess before we can answer your question we need to know what "HD on DVD" means to you?

To me when you say HD on DVD, I guess anything that is capable of playing back 720p (1280×720) or higher. I currently have a OPPO player (NOT BLUERAY) that can upscale the video to 1080p, but now I that think about it, I know that's different.

What is your intended audience?

After thinking about it, my audience is going to be the elderly for this HD video I made using the Canon 5D. So I would assume they have DVD players, but just your standard ones (480p).

So I guess this would lead to my next question. HOW DO I DOWN GRADE THIS VIDEO to 480p (720×480) or 720p(1280×720) without loosing quality? Do I use the re-size feature in Virtual Dub?

I have a small sample (24mb) at the following link.

http://www.lwintegrationtest.com/china/MVI_0519.MOV

Thanks.

Matt

[mlong30]

Also tell us your Vegas project settings since version 8 doesn't have a native AVCHD project.

The following are my Vegas 8 project settings. I use NTSC.

[mlong30]

Stay with SD and don't kill yourself for now.

What is the post processing to convert HD to SD?

Matt

[poisondeathray]

^ This sample isn't interlaced , it's 1080p30

Progressive material can be resized with a straight resize. Interlaced material requires special treatment. If you're happy with virtualdub, you could use that. Another option is to use avisynth to resize. Vegas will work fine as well.

Since you're already familar with CCE, you can just use that to make SD DVD-Video . Other easy to use options would be AVS2DVD or multiavchd

Note 480p30 DVD's can be problematic in some players (it's flagged as 60i , but some players may not handle it properly - they all can handle 3:2 pulldown, but not all have 2:2 pulldown compatiblity) , and 720p30 (or 1080p30) is completely out of blu-ray/avchd spec.

For HD you would normally frame double (i.e. duplicate every 2nd frame) to make it "fake" 720p60 to make it compliant. The problem with this is it's less efficient (you're coding all these duplicate frames) but I've seen retail blu-ray's done this way. Some people have been able to apply 2:2 pulldown or get the muxer to to take 720p30 footage for blu-ray - but this is very dicey and doesn't work in all players either. The safest way as of now is to frame double

[aedipuss]

if you are going to use vegas pro 8 to edit and render out the video, go with dvd spec mpeg-2 and ac-3 audio. choose the mainconcept mpeg encoder and pick the ntsc dvd compliant video stream only template. click custom and adjust the bitrate to 8,000,000 b/sec cbr, for a short video like that. then render out the audio using an ac-3 template. take the resulting .mpv and ac-3 files and author a dvd in your favorite authoring software. that will produce a normal 720x480 30i dvd that any dvd standalone should play.


[edit] don't forget to adjust the mpeg-2 stream template to widescreen (16x9) and check the box that says stretch video - do not letterbox on the rendering popup.