DVD Media & Player Compatibility

[pbisaillon]

Hi there, I am trying to burn a DVD that will be compatible on various DVD players, mainly my own. I just bought a Samsung HD870 and I also have a Koss player. Why is it that I can play anything on the Koss but I it's really hit and miss on the Samsung?

For example, I have 2 DVD's, both the same manufacturer listed below. One works, and one doesn't. The only thing that is different is the write speed and the one that works has a label on it. Can that make a difference in playback? I use Nero to burn my DVD's. Any suggestions would be great. Thanks..

This one works on the Samsung:

Nero CD-DVD Speed: Disc Info
Basic Information
Disc type: : DVD+R
Book Type : DVD-ROM
Manufacturer: : Ritek
MID : RITEK R03 002 (02)
Write speeds: : 2.4 X - 4 X
Blank Capacity : n/a
Extended Information
Layers : 1
Write strategies : 4 X
Disc Status : Closed
Raw Data
Physical Format Information (00h)
0000 - 01 0F 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 1F 8F EF 00 00 00 00 - ................
0010 - 00 00 03 52 49 54 45 4B 00 00 00 52 30 33 02 38 - ...RITEK...R03.8
0020 - 23 54 37 20 00 5D 6C 00 B2 67 15 15 0B 0B 08 08 - #T7..]l..g......
0030 - 01 19 1B 0C 0C 0C 0D 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - ................
0040 - 01 00 38 38 00 31 66 1C 06 2E 23 10 04 1E 1D 01 - ..88.1f...#.....
0050 - 00 00 00 31 66 1C 06 2E 23 10 04 1E 1D 01 00 00 - ...1f...#.......

And this one doesn't:

Nero CD-DVD Speed: Disc Info
Basic Information
Disc type: : DVD+R
Book Type : DVD-ROM
Manufacturer: : Ritek
MID : RITEK R03 002 (02)
Write speeds: : 4 X - 8 X
Blank Capacity : n/a
Extended Information
Layers : 1
Write strategies : 4 X
Disc Status : Closed
Raw Data
Physical Format Information (00h)
0000 - 01 0F 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 22 EF BF 00 00 00 00 - ........."......
0010 - 00 00 03 52 49 54 45 4B 00 00 00 52 30 33 02 38 - ...RITEK...R03.8
0020 - 23 54 37 09 00 3C 65 00 A0 5F 14 14 0A 0A 0A 0A - #T7..<e.._......
0030 - 01 19 1B 0B 0B 0E 0F 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - ................
0040 - 01 00 38 38 00 25 62 3F 05 30 22 10 08 20 1C 01 - ..88.%b?.0".....
0050 - 00 00 00 25 62 3F 05 30 22 10 08 20 1C 01 00 00 - ...%b?.0".......

[dadrab]

Well, since I'm the first one to reply to your post, I'll tell you first what others are going to say.

There are only really a couple of consistant performers when it comes to DVD media - Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim.

Give some of those a try and see if your issues go away. Ritek is mostly trash, so I understand. I read many posts here before I ever bought a blank DVD and have rarely used anything other than Verbatim.

You might want to consider removing that label from the one disc you burned that works, too. That's a pretty big "no, no" in the DVD world. Search for posts on the subject.

Read around some. You'll be surprised at what you'll pick up.

[oldandinthe way]

Your posting has a strange anomally. The media IDs are identical for the two DVDs but the write speeds displayed differ. Both show a 4x write strategy.

Is there something you are not telling us, like written on two different systems/burners/software versions? The same media ID should generate consistant results on the same hardware.

This media ID is used on 8x media. Is it possible that the burner which sees this as 4x media is old with out of date firmware?

Although good media can mask a variety of failures you'll get your best results with properly functioning systems and good media.

[Epicurus8a]

Some players (especially older ones) are very picky about the recordable discs they'll play; some don't like recordable discs at all.

[dadrab]

Some players (especially older ones) are very picky about the recordable discs they'll play; some don't like recordable discs at all.

Very true, but it's uncanny what a little effort and research will produce.

For example: My wife drives a 2002 Honda Odyssey. That was the first US vehicle to have a DVD player installed from the factory. I need not discuss where the technology was in '02 regarding portable DVD players. Suffice it to say the player's pretty finnicky.

It won't even contemplate playing a single layer disc. It won't consider playing a VCD or even a burned audio CD.

It will play pressed CD and (obviously) DVD media. It will also play burned dual layer discs IF they are burned at no faster than 2X on Verbatim media.

Proceed carefully... 8)

[jman98]

The label has nothing to do with your problem, although it is possible that in the future the disc with the label may develop problems. The adhesive on labels is rumored to be tough on the discs and may over time cause the disc to warp just enough to make it unplayable.

Nero is less than optimal for burning DVDs. Here's a link explaining why:
http://www.digital-digest.com/~blutach/pgcedit_guide/burning_with_pgcedit/burning_with...pgcedit_v2.htm
Read the very bottom for the explanation as to why burning with Nero is bad.

Ritek media is crap. We strongly recommend using either Taiyo Yuden or Verbatim because the quality is high and they work.

[oldandinthe way]

Nero is less than optimal for burning DVDs. Here's a link explaining why:
http://www.digital-digest.com/~blutach/pgcedit_guide/burning_with_pgcedit/burning_with...pgcedit_v2.htm
Read the very bottom for the explanation as to why burning with Nero is bad.

Ritek media is crap. We strongly recommend using either Taiyo Yuden or Verbatim because the quality is high and they work.

True BUT.

The Nero problem affects error recovery in a limited number of conditions. This is not likely to be a frequent occurance. Rarely the cause of any consistant error. Unlikely to be the cause of your problem.

I'm not crazy about Ritek media but what you posted is not consistant with crappy media. Even crappy media should be recognized consistantly by the same drive on a PC.

You must tell us more about where these disks were burned.

[oldandinthe way]

It will play pressed CD and (obviously) DVD media. It will also play burned dual layer discs IF they are burned at no faster than 2X on Verbatim media.

Proceed carefully... 8)

Are you bookmarking your DL DVD's. I've found significantly greater compatibility with old players with bookmarked Verbatim DL

[dadrab]

Are you bookmarking your DL DVD's. I've found significantly greater compatibility with old players with bookmarked Verbatim DL

Not that I'm aware of. That's an operation I've not explored as of yet - unless my burning app. ( IMGBurn ) or my athoring apps. ( GUIForDVDAuthor , Ulead DVD Movie Factory ) does it without me knowing it.

Recently, I've been stumbling my way through DVD Lab Pro 2, but have not tried to play a disc authored with that program in the van yet (ain't finished but one - see https://forum.videohelp.com/topic339360.html for details).

[lordsmurf]

Most burners auto-booktype DVD+R DL to DVD-ROM already.

The loss of burn speed for no apparent reason is often tied to data rates, such as failing IDE cables, or something as simple as the system slipping into a non-UDMA mode.

[oldandinthe way]

Lordsmurf

My LG's require the software to booktype. I set the parameter as a prefrence in in Nero or Imgburn. Not turned on, does not booktype to DVD-ROM. I think that is common. VSO convertxtoDVD and some other software will always booktype DVD+R.

The OPs disks show differing burn speed info AFTER the burn. He has provided no info as to what the actual burn speed is. Although he may have all of the problems you suggest, what I am refering to is the fact that he has media with a mediaID which is normally associated with 8x media, which is apparently interpreted as 4x on the disk he identifies as succesfully reading and 8x on the disk that fails.

Suggests we are looking at two different burners.

[Krispy Kritter]

On a side note, not that it's relevant to the OP, but dadrab was referring to +R DL media. As lordsmurf pointed out, most (note most..not all) burners auto booktype +R DL media (note DL media...which is also what i've read and how both my Pioneer and NEC units function). oldandinthe way then points out his LG units don't "auto set" but then mentions +R media (not DL...I don't know if that is a typo or you misread the other posts).

Anyway, back on track, the Op needs to supply more information.

[lordsmurf]

I'm fairly certain my LG burner does DVD+R DL with booktype already set to DVD-ROM. I don't know of any current burners that don't do this, although I've not looked into too deeply.

[oldandinthe way]

I guess the OP 't want an answer since he/she hasn't returned.

[pbisaillon]

Thanks for all the posts. I was away for a few days. I ended up re-burning the same project using an older version of Sonic MYDVD and the DVD works fine on both my DVD players. All the ones that I used NERO to burn did not work on the new DVD player.

Thanks for all the suggestions - I will try to stick with the suggested DVD media and keep using my older software!

Patrick