Editing Nero made DVDs: DVDauthorgui? dvd lab pro? Gui4dvdauthor?

[KneeRow]

Hi,
I Like to make DVD's with Nero vision express, since it has nice menus, can be motion, with sound and are extremely easy to use.
Howeverrrrrr they forgot to add subtitle functionality in Nero, so I wondered if I could use DVDauthorgui, or dvd lab pro or Gui4dvdauthor on the NERO output and add subs to the already made DVD

Of course I let Nero write it to my HDD.

thanks.

PS Yes, I know about the all-in-one solutions like Convert2x dvd and avi2dvd and all that,
I just wants to know if these things were editable.

[guns1inger]

There are simpler ways to add subs to an existing disc than pulling it all apart and re-authoring. Have read of these before getting too far ahead of yourself :

https://www.videohelp.com/guides/how-to-backup-and-add-new-subtitles-to-a-dvd-id487#487
https://www.videohelp.com/guides/how-to-add-your-own-subtitle-to-dvd-keep-menu-multi-ep...-pgc-id815#815
https://www.videohelp.com/guides/rip-and-add-new-subtitles-to-a-dvd-with-subtitlecreator-id706#706

[redwudz]

This forum is for posting user guides. Moving you to DVD Authoring Forum.

[KneeRow]

Eeeeh, all these 3 guides involve reauthoring, so .... ???
Unless you consider demuxing and remuxing NOT reauthoring ...
The 3rd one does NOT even keep the menus, and thats my main point!

And: if this is what you call simple i shudder on what you call complicated ...
Thanks 4 d reply though

[guns1inger]

I guess there are degrees of re-authoring. Personally, if you are considering using an alternate authoring tool to add the subtitles anyway, I would ditch Nero completely an create the disc from scratch. It will be easier than disassembling and re-assembling the disc, and give you better quality if you use a good encoder such as HCEnc. There is no easy way to put subs into a disc after it has been authored.

Otherwise consider using ConvertXtoDVD or similar, which will do subtitles when authoring.

[KneeRow]

check ps on first post??
we're all tired i guess

Look, I wanna have it all:
Nice menus, preferably motion and subs and not a lot to learn. Nero gives me all xcept the subs, so ...

[mats.hogberg]

...So, either live without subs, or ditch Nero for something better (and invest a little of your time to learn a new software).

/Mats

[KneeRow]

baby, i've been at this nonstop for a week now, so don't tell me about investing time.

[mats.hogberg]

You seem to invest your time trying to find a short cut that doesn't exist, rather than follow the good advice given. Subtitles are added to DVD Video while muxing. If it's already muxed without subtitles, you have to demux it first, before remuxing with subtitles. Quite simple really.

/Mats

[KneeRow]

Eeh sorry? Of course I realized that it had to be demuxed and remuxed again. If you read carefully, you'll see that. Until gunslinger suggested that there were "easier ways" I had not thought that it COULD be easy.
My point is, my sloppy reading friend, that I wanted to know if one of the Subtitling equiped programs could handle Nero output. Also that gunsling said that there were easier ways and subsequently presented 3 very HARD ways, one which did almost the opposite of what I asked. Now, I don't pay him, so I don't hold that against him, but I did notice that.

And of course I want a short-cut!!! (and YES I know that sometimes there isn't any). Everyone wants maximum result with minimum input, right? Show me a man who wants the opposite and I'll show you an idiot.

Also, I don't need your arrogance. If you wanna come here and gloat or whatever it is
you do, go somewhere else.
With your "that's just the way it is" mentality there's of course never ANY progress ...

[mats.hogberg]

Thing is - Had you used the right tool to begin with, things would have been much easier. Doing something with the wrong tool (however much you may like it), and then trying to fix it will be much harder. Now there's a short cut for you.

/Mats

[KneeRow]

Because the right tool is only the tool which costs the most effort, right? No gain, without blood, sweat and tears, right? Only tools which require extensive programming skills in ugly 80x25 screens will result in something "truly and good and beautiful", right?


WRONG!!!!


There IS a short cut, and I will put up a guide about it. No knowledge of PGC, or IfoEdit required.

And if you were able only a little bit to look past your arrogance, you would've found it yourself.
But ... you're prolly happy toiling away with PGC editing, or whatever it is you do for 5 days with no motion menu to show for.
And .... I am equally happy to let you.

[månesteiner]

I don't think there's an easy shortcut, but you can take that 2nd guide posted by guns1inger and make it much easier to use by replacing the entire Step 9 with a few clicks in VobBlanker.

You don't have to use PGCDemux or Muxman as in the guide. Use whatever demux/remux software you like. But each step of the way use the folders the guide sets up.

Follow the original guide (software substitutions as you wish) until Step 9, then in VobBlanker, Settings, More Settings, under Replacing put a check in all the options ending in "...from replacing IFO". Apply. Close.

Input, browse to the Video_ts.ifo from the reauthored folder the guide uses. For Output, make a new folder for the destination.

Select the main movie, e.g. VTS_01_*.vob. In the bottom window select PGC 01. Then Replace, and browse to the VTS_01_0.ifo from the remuxed folder. This is your DVD folder with the subs. Then Process.

Your new folder now has the DVD files, original menus, and newly added subs.

[Bjs]

Just seen it all .

Now your stuck with using the dvd players remote to control , subs on / off , and switch between .

And you might loose newbies just in mentioning dvdlab to start with in that guide ... Its repetitive nature alone , is a weakness when considering adding subs after the event is a right , royal , pain in the ass .

If you want it all , do something about adding a menu selection choice for those subtitles .

[KneeRow]

I don't think there's an easy shortcut, but you can take that 2nd guide posted by guns1inger and make it much easier to use by replacing the entire Step 9 with a few clicks in VobBlanker.
.

hey moon beam,
thanks for the reply i will surely try that, let u know how it ends.

Now your stuck with using the dvd players remote to control , subs on / off , and switch between .

What?

and I don't wanna have a subtit menu.

[KneeRow]

moonstone? :P

[Midzuki]

******** said:

Look, I wanna have it all:
Nice menus, preferably motion and subs and not a lot to learn.
Nero gives me all xcept the subs, so ...

OTOH, the Help File of DVD-lab Pro 2 says:

The DVD-lab PRO is the next step in DVD authoring for advanced users who need an accessible and easy to learn tool with the full range of DVD features.

Most of the existing tools are either very expensive and hard to master or are limited in their implementation of the DVD-Video specifications. Many tools that are marketed as "advanced" or for "professional" use are often actually only more expensive consumer applications with pre-cooked DVD structure and questionable user interface.

DVD-lab PRO is based on the idea of original DVD-lab. Instead of insulting the users with an overdone flashy interface, DVD-lab and DVD-lab PRO put strong emphasis on the usability of it. The Modern Windows GUI can be tweaked and reorganized to everybody's taste even across multiple monitors.

DVD-lab is also one of the very few applications on the market that grows with your requirements and knowledge. Users of other applications usually either outgrow them very soon or they need to study a long time before they are able to create even simple project. We put a lot of effort to the DVD-lab PRO so it offers benefits of both worlds. It is easy to start making simple DVDs but it doesn't stop there. As you continue to master the craft you will realize that DVD-lab PRO offers an unlimited range of design flexibility and delivers the goods even for most demanding designers.



Flexible DVD structure

DVD-lab PRO is a full Multiple-VTS application, that means you can put different aspect ratios or movies with different audio channels on one DVD. But unlike other Multi-VTS applications in this category, DVD-lab PRO does not force you to use any predefined DVD structure. Each Video Title Set can be as complex or as simple as you want. The full flexibility of creating the DVD structure is one of the strongest point of DVD-lab PRO.

Multiple Audio and Subtitle Channels

Each title in DVD-lab PRO can have up to 8 audio channels: AC3, MPA, LPCM or DTS and also number of subtitle streams. You have the ability to add 8 subtitle channels, these can be created within DVD-lab or imported using popular formats. You can use customized graphic subtitles (imported from bitmaps).

Multiple Angles

For the advanced DVD author, multiple angles are the special feature to spice up the video.

Single and multiple PGC Titles

For the advanced DVD author who needs a special case of Multi-PGC titles.

More Menu Effects

DVD-lab PRO builds on DVD-lab's available menu effects. You can use various Texture Fills and new Effects such as Metal Shine for new cool effects such as metal, gold, chrome, marble - and more!

New Dynamic effects

DVD-lab and DVD-lab PRO have strong integrated menu designers with multiple Undo/Redo. DVD-lab PRO adds also new DynamicFX textures that can be animated for Motion menus.

Delayed menu buttons and menu Cells

We added delayed menu button for motion menus so you can create motion menu with a loop points for seamless transition from intro. This also works together with Render Motion where you can now specify an intro effect.

Play Lists, Counter Lists, Random Lists etc.

DVD-lab Pro has also ability to add a number of different play lists. If you like to play your movies in an alternative order you don't have to add the files to DVD multiple times. All you need to do is to make one or more play lists.

Special Navigation Objects

There are other special navigation object such as Condition Splitter, Case List or Return to last menu that you can incorporate into your layout.

Audio-Only Track

A 'Movie' can now have also audio track(s) only. This is a good option for distributing large amount of music on a DVD. As addition you can also edit the still screen that will be displayed during the audio playback. (For example, a song title).

Movie Branching

Branching object allows you to add a new chapter sequence into a Movie. Chapters can then be played in any order, can be skipped or repeated in any fashion - and they don't take additional DVD space.

Multi-Aspect Widescreen menus

DVD-lab PRO can create widescreen menus that will play correctly on both widescreen and normal 4:3 aspect ratio televisions.

Smart-Compile

Recompile only the menu changes and keep the time intensive movie multiplexing from the last compile. This way you can change or fix project within a few minutes.

Connection

The Connections window is the heart of your DVD structure even more now with the PRO version. You have additional ways to organize your objects where the Connections window allows for easier work with table view, split-view or snap-to-grid features. As well as the Title Button, you can now program the action to be taken when the player's remote control "Menu" button is pressed.

Smart Components and Scripts

DVD-lab PRO's integrated scripting language, "Lab-Talk", will enable you to make your own wizards, smart components and effects that can help you with repetitive tasks.

Things for PROs

If you still feel you don't have enough features, DVD-lab PRO gives you full access to the PRE and POST commands of any object where you can add your own virtual machine code using a self-checking VM Command Scripting language.

Ability to Compile without Abstraction Layer

For special needs DVD-lab PRO can compile DVD without its Abstraction layer. This will work like the professional high-end systems where you can define all the links and structure by yourself.

High Educational Value

DVD-lab Pro is an excellent tool with which to learn and understand all the fine aspects of DVD authoring while still being fun to use. It will put you in the driving seat with the whole structure clearly in front of you.

Grows with your requirements

As you get more experienced with DVD authoring, you will be happy to learn that DVD-lab PRO is always ahead with its features. It is not easy to outgrow our software because we designed it for creative users like us.

.. and More

We haven't even mentioned other new things like Film Strip menus or 360-degree Panoramic menus. But there are still more things to discover...

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[KneeRow]

I never understood what they meant with thread pollution ... or RTFM-bloating ...

[månesteiner]

"adding subs after the event is a right , royal , pain in the ass . "

Agreed.

"If you want it all , do something about adding a menu selection choice for those subtitles ."

Well, best way to do that is to re-author the DVD from scratch with new menus, not hack your way through the original menus trying to edit them for the new subs, although you could do that if you've got some free time.

But, if ******** wants a quick compromise - original DVD, original menus, but with newly added subs, you can do that pretty quickly, without too much work. It's not perfection, you'd still have to use the remote to activate the subs.

"moonstone?"

Close... just make it plural.

[manono]

It's not perfection, you'd still have to use the remote to activate the subs.

It's easy enough to set the subs up to play automatically, so you don't have to do it using the remote control. It isn't hard in principle to add subs to an already authored DVD, but just takes some time and a few steps to accomplish. That guide will do it OK. Demux, add in the subs, remux, replace the old DVD without subs with the new one that has subs using VobBlanker. "Turn on" the new subs using PGCEdit.

The weak link in ********'s chain was using Nero in the first place.

[KneeRow]

Nero? Weak? Bob, have you ever tried Ulead Workshop?
Nero to Ulead is like Assembler to visual C++!

If (I'm not even sure) that is what you mean, that Nero has too many frills for a "real" dvd programmer ....

Everyone would eat at Mc Donalds if they could add something to it that would take the poisonous fat out of it. (Sofar, even their veggies are bad, bad, BAD for you!)

Everyone would drive Diesel if it was really cheap AND improved the environment.

Everyone would become a coach potatoe if that would improve their muscles.

Okay, you caught that drift, I hope.

Most things in life are a trade off. But sometimes ... it doesn't have to be.

[Midzuki]

I never understood what they meant with thread pollution ... or RTFM-bloating ...

Perhaps we mean Ahead's latest bloatwares are good for disk recording only.
We also mean anybody is free to keep wanting to act stupidly.

Regardz,

Midzuki-chan.

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[KneeRow]

I also would not want you to stop acting stupidly ...

[mats.hogberg]

@ all: Now - No more (implicit or explicit) personal attacks in this thread! ...

/Mats

[Midzuki]

As you command, Master.
Sayounara to all.

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[manono]

Nero? Weak? Bob, have you ever tried Ulead Workshop?
Nero to Ulead is like Assembler to visual C++!

Maybe I'm stating the obvious, but if you want subs for your DVDs, and if Nero doesn't allow for subtitles, then maybe - just maybe - you're using the wrong program for the job. If these subs are a one-time deal, you can work around that crippling deficiency by following that guide. If you put subs on your DVDs with some regularity, you should investigate other authoring programs. I use DVDAuthorGUI when creating menus. It can take subs in a variety of formats and is free. Others use other programs. I think midzuki's point with his long post earlier was that DVDLab Pro is an alternative that can author with subs and can help to create good menus. Lots of people like it. I can't comment as I don't use it. You did ask about DLP in your thread title, so I don't see where his post was off-topic.

[KneeRow]

dude, his post was spam. I glad that you had a good laugh at the Nero user, feeling superior and all that, but it was spam, pure and simple. Reprinting a help file you know I already have? Gimme a break.

And I don't see what's wrong with seeking the best of both worlds? Maybe - just maybe - you have issues with Nero and are taking it out on me?

I just wanna use what I like, if you find that stupid or laughable, then, and I mean this affectionately, don't respond to me.

I appreciate all the help I can get, but if you want to give it with some undertone of ridicule or whatever it is you do, then don't.

[bendixG15]

I never understood what they meant with thread pollution ... or RTFM-bloating ...

Correct, this thread is a prime example

[Midzuki]

Correct, this thread is a prime example

Yes, it is a prime example of how the "officially-approved" trolls
are tolerated and estimulated --- perhaps because their avatar portraits
a {ROT-13}fzvyvat purnc cebfgvghgr{/ROT-13}.

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[KneeRow]

******** patting Mitzik on the head

there, there now baby, please don't cry anymore, aren't you adorable? Look at the cute geek speak! I could just eat you up.

OTOH ...
I love it when you get mad, your eyes pop out, your veins pop up, and speech gets all gobledegook ...