DVD Author 2 DTS into PCM 2 problem

[SteamrollerLive]

Hi

Question 1

I use TMPGEnc Author 2 and ANYDVD to create compilations DVDs of my concerts DVD (best of DVD).

The problem that I have is that some of my concert DVD only have DTS sound on them and not AC3 sound . So when I load them into DVD Author 2 the only sound that I get is PCM 2 (I loose my DTS sound ). Note that I do not have any problem with DVD with AC3 sound in Author 2.

What is the problem?
What can I do to get at least AC3 sound with those DVD in Author 2?


Question 2

I just try CloneDVD2 with ANYDVD to put some of my DVD on my hard disk.
But, when I try to load Author 2 with the hard disk data of the DVD it change the sound to PCM 2 saying that there is a conflit channel error

What is the problem?

[FulciLives]

TMPGEnc DVD Author does not support DTS audio and that includes ALL versions of TMPGEnc DVD Author so if you want DTS you will need to either use another DVD authoring program that supports DTS (very few do) or if these are just back-ups of originals that you own ... well then ... there is no reason to use a DVD authoring program. Instead simply RIP and BURN and if the original is a DUAL LAYER DVD then you either burn to a DUAL LAYER blank DVD or you compress with something like DVDShrink etc.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[aedipuss]

if you can get a copy of any current version of dvd-lab they support dts audio.

[SteamrollerLive]

TMPGEnc DVD Author does not support DTS audio and that includes ALL versions of TMPGEnc DVD Author so if you want DTS you will need to either use another DVD authoring program that supports DTS (very few do) or if these are just back-ups of originals that you own ... well then ... there is no reason to use a DVD authoring program. Instead simply RIP and BURN and if the original is a DUAL LAYER DVD then you either burn to a DUAL LAYER blank DVD or you compress with something like DVDShrink etc.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

I do not want to make backup of my original I just want to take chapters from different concert DVD to make a DVD compilation of the best songs of all my concerts DVD

So for those that are only DTS what do you suggest me. Does DVD LAB works for what I want to do? What is the best think to use?

Tanks

[FulciLives]

If you want to continue to use TMPGEnc DVD Author (which is probably the best thing for "compilation" type projects) then you will have to first prepare the files by extracting the DTS audio and converting to AC-3 audio.

Best way to do that (knock on wood) is to run the ripped VOB files through DGIndex and let it extract the MPEG file and the DTS audio. Then convert the DTS audio to AC-3 audio. Then import the MPEG video file and the AC-3 audio file into TMPGEnc DVD Author. Cut out everything but the part you want using the built-in editing functions of TMPGEnc DVD Author.

Here is a link that covers how to convert DTS audio to AC-3 audio:

http://dtsguide.de.vu/

This website has a section on 2.0 Stereo DTS to 2.0 Stereo AC-3 as well as 5.1 DTS to 5.1 AC-3 etc.

Please note that I have never done this nor did I take a real close look at the guides but this is the only way I can think of doing it while still using TMGPEnc DVD Author.

Actually there might be an easier way come to think of it ... my understanding is that any DVD with DTS audio must also have either AC-3 or PCM and it seems from your post that most have PCM but not AC-3 so you can have TMPGEnc DVD Author convert the PCM to AC-3 as it does have an AC-3 encoder built-in BUT then you will probably only get STEREO i.e., 2.0 AC-3 audio although it is possible it will be Dolby Surround Sound Pro Logic capable.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[SteamrollerLive]

If you want to continue to use TMPGEnc DVD Author (which is probably the best thing for "compilation" type projects) then you will have to first prepare the files by extracting the DTS audio and converting to AC-3 audio.

Best way to do that (knock on wood) is to run the ripped VOB files through DGIndex and let it extract the MPEG file and the DTS audio. Then convert the DTS audio to AC-3 audio. Then import the MPEG video file and the AC-3 audio file into TMPGEnc DVD Author. Cut out everything but the part you want using the built-in editing functions of TMPGEnc DVD Author.

Here is a link that covers how to convert DTS audio to AC-3 audio:

http://dtsguide.de.vu/

This website has a section on 2.0 Stereo DTS to 2.0 Stereo AC-3 as well as 5.1 DTS to 5.1 AC-3 etc.

Please note that I have never done this nor did I take a real close look at the guides but this is the only way I can think of doing it while still using TMGPEnc DVD Author.

Actually there might be an easier way come to think of it ... my understanding is that any DVD with DTS audio must also have either AC-3 or PCM and it seems from your post that most have PCM but not AC-3 so you can have TMPGEnc DVD Author convert the PCM to AC-3 as it does have an AC-3 encoder built-in BUT then you will probably only get STEREO i.e., 2.0 AC-3 audio although it is possible it will be Dolby Surround Sound Pro Logic capable.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

Tanks for your answer

It seems a little bit complicate. Does DVD LAB do the same thing as Author 2 with dts support. If so I would not mind buying DVD LAB.

[FulciLives]

DVD-Lab is a pain-in-the-ass to use at times and I rarely touch it unless I need to do something with DTS audio which thankfully is like hardly ever.

I think when you download DVD-Lab that you get to use it for a trail period before it locks up and needs to be registered (i.e., bought) so I suggest you try that first and see if you like it etc.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[aedipuss]

wow i feel just the opposite, dvd-lab is easy to use but powerful enough to do any authoring task down to writing my own custom VM scripts. tda just tried to do too much it's own way, not the way i wanted.

[yoda313]

I have an alternate suggestion. Would it be possible to author the video only in tda the way you want without audio and mux in the dts after the fact?

I mean would you be able to load say 10 clips that only have dts that tda doesn't support but do so without the audio. Then author the dvd without sound and mux in the dts postfacto? Since the dts would be taken from the individual tracks originally and presupposing the lenghts would not be altered in anyway can't you use some program to plug in the "new" dts tracks?

Is that more work than its worth to preserve the dts? The only other route would be to use an authoring program that DOES accept dts.

Just an idea, don't know if it would work and don't have immediate suggestions on how to do it....

though would you be able to plop in the dts audio into the new compilation with ifoedit? Would that let you prep the dvd after its authoring and load the dts that way?


(and to fulcilives - while yes its TECHNICALLY correct that dts must have ac3 or pcm/mp2 audio to function I have made dts only backups that will work just fine - on the players I have that is - I haven't tested many brands. BUT you will ONLY be able to play the DTS-ONLY disc through a DTS decoder. No sound will pipe through a normal tv speaker - unless its a model that supports dts but I've never heard of a tv that has a dts decoder in it - unless its a new hdtv model I don't know about. - EDIT I do know see you were talking about taking the pcm track to convert to ac3 with tda - however wouldn't tda also accept pcm since its essentially a wav file in dvd format??)

[FulciLives]

I have an alternate suggestion. Would it be possible to author the video only in tda the way you want without audio and mux in the dts after the fact?

I mean would you be able to load say 10 clips that only have dts that tda doesn't support but do so without the audio. Then author the dvd without sound and mux in the dts postfacto? Since the dts would be taken from the individual tracks originally and presupposing the lenghts would not be altered in anyway can't you use some program to plug in the "new" dts tracks?

Is that more work than its worth to preserve the dts? The only other route would be to use an authoring program that DOES accept dts.

Just an idea, don't know if it would work and don't have immediate suggestions on how to do it....

though would you be able to plop in the dts audio into the new compilation with ifoedit? Would that let you prep the dvd after its authoring and load the dts that way?

Not sure if all that would even work and even then it sounds like a lot of trouble. Also this would mean ripping in IFO mode and hoping that each song is a separate track that can be ripped by itself etc.

Too much work even if it would work and like I said I'm doubtful of that.

(and to fulcilives - while yes its TECHNICALLY correct that dts must have ac3 or pcm/mp2 audio to function I have made dts only backups that will work just fine - on the players I have that is - I haven't tested many brands. BUT you will ONLY be able to play the DTS-ONLY disc through a DTS decoder. No sound will pipe through a normal tv speaker - unless its a model that supports dts but I've never heard of a tv that has a dts decoder in it - unless its a new hdtv model I don't know about. - EDIT I do know see you were talking about taking the pcm track to convert to ac3 with tda - however wouldn't tda also accept pcm since its essentially a wav file in dvd format??)

I know you can make a DTS only DVD but all officially released DVD Videos with DTS are supposed to have either AC-3 or PCM and just not DTS. As an aside my old Cyberhome CH-DVD 500 has a built-in DTS decoder and will downmix DTS and output it via the standard left/right RCA stereo jacks. I've heard of only a very few other DVD players that have the same feature but that was "back in the day". I'm not aware of any new/current models with this feature.

Sure you can use the PCM in TMPGEnc DVD Author "as is" but it takes up a lot of room and since TMPGEnc DVD Author 2 has a built-in AC-3 encoder ... might as well convert to 2.0 AC-3 to save the space.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[guns1inger]

DTS only is outside the DVD Specification because it is not downmixed to PCM through the analogue stereo outputs like AC3 is. I suspect this was a hardware licensing issue back when the spec was done. That said, I have a few DTS only discs and have been able to play them on several different players, through my DTS capable amp, of course.

[SteamrollerLive]

DVD-Lab is a pain-in-the-ass to use at times and I rarely touch it unless I need to do something with DTS audio which thankfully is like hardly ever.

I think when you download DVD-Lab that you get to use it for a trail period before it locks up and needs to be registered (i.e., bought) so I suggest you try that first and see if you like it etc.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

I have just download DVD Lab for a test and it is not as simple as DVD Author and when I drag a vob file from the DVD into the Movie window (no demux when load) I can not hear any sound in preview. Is it me or DVDLAB has no sound when editing: no sound in editing is a no go for me? Plus, how can I know that I am on the first frame of a chapter: it seem that when I load a vob file that the chapters are not set (load)?

[guns1inger]

DVD Lab has no audio preview. Use the ProTools extension to hear audio. It is also not an editor, it is an authoring tool only. If you want to try to use DLP, use DV Shrink in re-author mode to extract the chapters you want first, and just use DLP to compile them all together.

[SteamrollerLive]

DVD Lab has no audio preview. Use the ProTools extension to hear audio. It is also not an editor, it is an authoring tool only. If you want to try to use DLP, use DV Shrink in re-author mode to extract the chapters you want first, and just use DLP to compile them all together.

Hi again

Like you said I have try DVD Shrink and selected chapters from 2 different DVD of my collection and selected only (DTS) for 1 and AC3 from the other with DVD SHRINK .

And then I go to DVD LAB and import the 3 differents VOB files (3 differents chapter from 2 DVD) created with DVD Shrink: I have made a series of test but when I compile the DVD with lab pro the result VOB have no sound in them. I try many test: one compile with only AC3, ONLY DTS and a mix of AC3 and DTS: Same result for all the test: NO SOUND IN THE VOB FILE??????????. NO SOUND IN THE DVD CREATED????


WHAT do I do wronk. Is it because I used the 30 days lisence or something else

P.S If I load back the new repository of the DVD created in DVD SHRINK I see the audio at 0 MB (in the compression setting menu of RE-AUTHOR MENU)


Thanks for your precious time it is really appreciate

[SteamrollerLive]

DVD Lab has no audio preview. Use the ProTools extension to hear audio. It is also not an editor, it is an authoring tool only. If you want to try to use DLP, use DV Shrink in re-author mode to extract the chapters you want first, and just use DLP to compile them all together.

Hi again

Like you said I have try DVD Shrink and selected chapters from 2 different DVD of my collection and selected only (DTS) for 1 and AC3 from the other with DVD SHRINK .

And then I go to DVD LAB and import the 3 differents VOB files (3 differents chapter from 2 DVD) created with DVD Shrink: I have made a series of test but when I compile the DVD with lab pro the result VOB have no sound in them. I try many test: one compile with only AC3, ONLY DTS and a mix of AC3 and DTS: Same result for all the test: NO SOUND IN THE VOB FILE??????????. NO SOUND IN THE DVD CREATED????


WHAT do I do wronk. Is it because I used the 30 days lisence or something else

P.S If I load back the new repository of the DVD created in DVD SHRINK I see the audio at 0 MB (in the compression setting menu of RE-AUTHOR MENU)


Thanks for your precious time it is really appreciate

OK . I try loading the VOB file with Demux and I have sound now.
My new problem is that if I mix in DVD LAB movies (one movie is achapter from a DVD in particular of my concert DVD) with different type of Sound let say the first two IN DTS, the third with AC3 and last with DTS and when I compile the DVD with DVD LAB the sound is OK except that the AC3 one as no sound (third in the list)????????

What is the problem now.........

Can I have a DVD with different sound Title 1 (or chapter or movie section in DVD LAB) in DTS ONLY, and others in AC3 ONLY????? If so HOW DI I DO THAT

If you can solve my new problem I will surely buy DVD LAB or DVD LAB Studio or Pro

Thanks again

[FulciLives]

A video title set or VTS can only have video and audio that match.

So if you have 2 clips that are 5.1 DTS and 1 clip that is 5.1 AC-3 then you need to put the DTS on one VTS and the AC-3 on another VTS.

Also ... and I'm not 100% sure on this so maybe someone else can chime in ... but I think the audio has to match 100% in other words you can't have 5.1 AC-3 and 2.0 AC-3 on the same VTS ... each must be on a separate VTS ... again if I am correct on this (anyone?)

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[SteamrollerLive]

A video title set or VTS can only have video and audio that match.

So if you have 2 clips that are 5.1 DTS and 1 clip that is 5.1 AC-3 then you need to put the DTS on one VTS and the AC-3 on another VTS.

Also ... and I'm not 100% sure on this so maybe someone else can chime in ... but I think the audio has to match 100% in other words you can't have 5.1 AC-3 and 2.0 AC-3 on the same VTS ... each must be on a separate VTS ... again if I am correct on this (anyone?)

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

Are you refering to Video Title set as a menu or what else. Excuse my ignorence. And can I create as many VTS as I want with DVD Lab in one DVD

[guns1inger]

You cant have it go from AC3 to DTS and back again. You can mix audio formats within a single Video TitleSet, however they must be on different tracks. If you want continuous audio, you have to convert all your DTS to AC3 or AC3 to DTS.

[FulciLives]

You cant have it go from AC3 to DTS and back again. You can mix audio formats within a single Video TitleSet, however they must be on different tracks. If you want continuous audio, you have to convert all your DTS to AC3 or AC3 to DTS.

I knew that ... wasn't thinking when I wrote the above. Oops!

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[SteamrollerLive]

What tools is best to go from DTS to AC3 or AC3 to DTS?
Is there big lost in sound quality doing so?

Do you recommand DVD Lab or DVD Lab Studio or DVD Lab Pro


Tanks again to all of you for all you comments and help

[FulciLives]

What tools is best to go from DTS to AC3 or AC3 to DTS?
Is there big lost in sound quality doing so?

Do you recommand DVD Lab or DVD Lab Studio or DVD Lab Pro


Tanks again to all of you for all you comments and help

As I understand it the somewhat newer DVD-Lab Studio is a more "robust" version of the standard DVD-Lab and has features not found in the standard version. However while it has SOME of the features of the Pro version it is still lacking some features found in the Pro version. The most important being that only the Pro version supports multiple VTS.

This page from the DVD-Lab website has a chart that compares the three different versions:

http://www.mediachance.com/dvdlab/index.html

Good luck with whatever version you buy.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[Jean]

If you want to continue to use TMPGEnc DVD Author (which is probably the best thing for "compilation" type projects) then you will have to first prepare the files by extracting the DTS audio and converting to AC-3 audio.

Best way to do that (knock on wood) is to run the ripped VOB files through DGIndex and let it extract the MPEG file and the DTS audio. Then convert the DTS audio to AC-3 audio. Then import the MPEG video file and the AC-3 audio file into TMPGEnc DVD Author. Cut out everything but the part you want using the built-in editing functions of TMPGEnc DVD Author.

Here is a link that covers how to convert DTS audio to AC-3 audio:

http://dtsguide.de.vu/

This website has a section on 2.0 Stereo DTS to 2.0 Stereo AC-3 as well as 5.1 DTS to 5.1 AC-3 etc.

Please note that I have never done this nor did I take a real close look at the guides but this is the only way I can think of doing it while still using TMGPEnc DVD Author.

Actually there might be an easier way come to think of it ... my understanding is that any DVD with DTS audio must also have either AC-3 or PCM and it seems from your post that most have PCM but not AC-3 so you can have TMPGEnc DVD Author convert the PCM to AC-3 as it does have an AC-3 encoder built-in BUT then you will probably only get STEREO i.e., 2.0 AC-3 audio although it is possible it will be Dolby Surround Sound Pro Logic capable.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

Does TMPGEnc DVD Author work with AC3 format? My TMPGEnc DVD Author (1.6) can author DVD with mp3 or PCM audio. It doesn't have any sound with AC3 audio. Do I need upgrade?

Thank you

[ntscuser]

Does TMPGEnc DVD Author work with AC3 format?

No

My TMPGEnc DVD Author (1.6) can author DVD with mp3 or PCM audio. It doesn't have any sound with AC3 audio. Do I need upgrade?

Yes, it's called the TMPGEnc AC-3 Plugin and is a nightmare to register!

[FulciLives]

TMPGEnc DVD Author 1.6 will work with AC-3 audio but you need to import AC-3 audio. You cannot encode to AC-3 unless you have the separate AC-3 plug-in.

Even without the plug-in you will get AC-3 to work if you import AC-3 but when you go to edit (if you ever do any editing) you will NOT have sound if the input is AC-3 unless you have the AC-3 plug-in. Allow me to explain further ... the sound will be there but you just will not "hear it" while editing. Unless like I said you have the AC-3 plug-in.

With the 2.x versions and newer the ability to encode to AC-3 and hear it while editing was a feature that was integrated so you didn't need the separate plug-in.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman