Tighter hiring rules decried

[Heywould3]

A planned federal crackdown on the hiring of undocumented workers has sparked fears that farmers will be left without workers to pick crops, restaurants without cooks and dishwashers, and small businesses without a ready source of casual labor.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-mon_illegal_0813aug13,0,1929403.story

I hope this isnt to political if so please delete and accept my apology in advance.

But i think its funny how the people that are using illegal aliens to do their work to save money are upset. i mean they are breaking the law period. yes its true that the work gets done for a lot less money but its still not right. and there are lots of people that are without work in this country. i come from Michigan and we have the highest unemployment rate in the nation. take the people that are collecting welfare and make them do the jobs that are currently being done by these people. we are already paying them. make them work for it now. problem solved.

Im glad to see that there is an attempt to fix the issue. i dont think it will fix it but its an effort.

[MeDiCo_BrUjO]

I worked for a couple years in a roofing company both in the administrative part and as a worker, so I know about this subject firsthand.

It's not really an issue of "illegal immigrants taking on American Jobs", it's more like "Americans don't like to work (Physically) for their money but illegals do".

I don't know if farmers pay less to illegals or not but in construction (the company I worked for) there was no distinction between the pay rates.
I mean, the job openings were there (HUGE sign outside "NOW HIRING") and NOBODY "legal" wanted to take them but illegals did.

[Heywould3]

yeah. i have some experence with this also. a lot of places that use this type of employee use what that call "Day workers" a foreman will drive to a known spot and there will be wokers there waiting to work. the foreman will pick a few an thats that. that is a very bad situation for the employer i would agree as far as "legals" they dont want to work if its hard. that is very sad. on the other hand "illegals" will do it, not so much because they want to but they have no other choice.

in any case. i think its a bad idea to allow employers to hire "illegals" its just my opinion. others feel different i know.

If we made the people that can work go to work for these employers that would help. on the other hand there is a min wage law in most states that might affect this idea.

what ever. i wish i was smarter so i could fix the issues my self and make everyone happy

Maybe if the employer would sponser the employee to make them legal, as long as the employee worked for a sponser they were alowed to work but as soon as they went "underground" or "illegal" they wouldnt be able to work in the US.

I work in Engineering and we do that all the time. i dont really like the fact that companies like i work for hire from out of the US when there are so many of us out of work. but thats not the point. we will sponser a worker he will get a work visa and be able to work for as long as hes employed at the company. in cases like that they even have medical, which is another issue on the books.

[zzyzzx]

The issue isn't that Americans' wont do the job. The issue is that things like Welfare, Social Security disability, and unemployment insurance are considered more desirable. If we simply kicked everyone off there programs, we'd not only save a ton of money, but we'd be picking our own fruit again.

[Heywould3]

The issue isn't that Americans' wont do the job. The issue is that things like Welfare, Social Security disability, and unemployment insurance are considered more desirable. If we simply kicked everyone off there programs, we'd not only save a ton of money, but we'd be picking our own fruit again.

my point exactly.

work for money or have someone give it to you, which do you want? its sad how many people in this country want to get it for nothing. i hear all the time. i only can work this many hours or this day and this day otherwise my unemployment or disabliity will take money from me. WTF? same for SS and workers comp. people work harder at finding a way to not have to work and get paid then they would if they just freggen worked a regular job.

Pick corn or live on the streets thats your choice. if your choice is to live on the streets then it has to be in the mountains or the desert or some other area where we dont have to deal with you pissing on the street or begging for money.

[Supreme2k]

You can bet that the "undocumented workers" get paid less than minimum. I've seen construction workers get paid $5/hr and general laborers get $2. I can't imagine what (little) they're paying the fruit/veg pickers and such.

[Heywould3]

You can bet that the "undocumented workers" get paid less than minimum. I've seen construction workers get paid $5/hr and general laborers get $2. I can't imagine what (little) they're paying the fruit/veg pickers and such.

I totally agree. im sure its low. but look at it like this. how much does a person get on welfare? i dont know but i dont think its a lot. devide that by 40 hours and take that number and thats his wage to pic fruit/veg. i know there are wage laws. like i said. make the people on welfare etc do the work... or someone.. theres gotta be people somewhere.

[Supreme2k]

Exactly. The people on welfare can't be denied minimum wage, whereas "illegals" are subject to the whim of their employers. Even better would be actual job placement by the welfare board so employers have to hire them for at least minimum wage.

[ZAPPER]

Oh what a wicked web we weave...And far be it from me to miss an oppertunity to post in a doomed thread.

There is no black and white or easy answer. I have seen it all from many different veiws. And while I would like to see it all go away, the fact remains that it is what it is and it will stay for a long time to come. Until we slove greed, desperation, lazyness, ignorance and a host of the other basic weaknesses of mankind, we will always be faced with this kind of problem.

Blame the government? Well in part yes. But the sad thing is that the government is made up of the population of civilians, herein lies the root of the problem.

What is the difference between tollerance and ignorance?
Do we draw a hard line and give up compassion?
Do we give up our comfort and conveinence?
What about our safety?



I try to be a good citizen in my community. I try to buy local and then American first. The sad part is that 9 out of ten of my neighbors don't even realize that a product is actually "made" somewhere, let alone that it is part of a larger economic/political picture. Hell I see what I suspect are illegals working for the government in the form of labors for govenrment sub contractors.