VirtualDub + New Audio + Editing + Audio Intact?

[hech54]

OK...long story short.
Music video - NO audio - M2V - approx. 5 minutes long.
Audio in .wav format - 3:47 in length.

Now....the video is longer because they added some extra
stuff (with their own audio...IE like a 10 second dance type beat
here and there...and a talking intro).

Can I load the 5 minute video AND my alternate 3:47.....and edit
down the video WITHOUT effecting the audio...leaving the audio intact
so that it is not also cut when I cut video pieces out? I guess you could
say that I need/am using the audio as a guide for what to cut from the video.

It this possible with Virtualdub?
I'm using VirtualDub Mpeg2 1.6.11......because that is
all I know how to use...

[GMaq]

Hi,
I am also a big fan of VirtualDub MPEG-2, as you must already know there are better options in the latest build for importing audio. The only way I think you can do what you want is to import a dummy audio track repeatedly (with each video cut) make your video cuts based on it and when you are going to encode the finished product, substitute the untouched one. I'd have a bottle of Motrin handy if I were you! I have a buddy that does the kind of thing you are doing quite often and he really likes Adobe Premiere Elements, Probably not worth the shekels unless you do a lot of NLE Audio/Video Editing. Going the VirtualDub route you may even have to save it as a project with each cut, and then re-open it to do subsequent cuts, better take that Motrin with a double Scotch! Post back with how it turns out, I'd be interested to see how you accomplished it.

[hech54]

The only way I think you can do what you want is to import a dummy audio track repeatedly (with each video cut) make your video cuts based on it and when you are going to encode the finished product, substitute the untouched one.

Yep...I was afraid of that.

I'd have a bottle of Motrin handy if I were you.... better take that Motrin with a double Scotch!

Good advise....

I know the song by heart(the .wav file version)....the video version is the one that is foreign to me....maybe I can start by making the video version "sound like" the audio one first....then go from there. There isn't much syncing to do with the singer....he is rarely singing "with" the music in the video....that is my only up-side so far...and it doesn't have to be a work of art either.

THANK YOU for the confirmation that VirtualDub (although brilliant) isn't capable of doing it.

[vhelp]

THANK YOU for the confirmation that VirtualDub (although brilliant) isn't capable of doing it.

I think that you should be able to do it in VirtualDub. Although it might be a little
combersome to do.., it should still be do 'able.

Now, I'm not sure I understand your situation. But lets assume that I do

Basic PSEUDO receipe, below. It is off the top of my head, but I think it should work
without much fuss, else change according to your Video and/or Audio edit method of
aproach.

A - you have one complete (music) video, but want to replace a certain section of it
with another ??

B - If this is the case, then it sound to me that you have THREE parts to edit, with a
possible *new* insert source, and all you would do is ..

B1 - Highlight all the editable sections in question, and save them all. So, you highlight
the First section you want to keep. Save it as AV_A.01.avi, then the Second, and save
as AV_B.02.avi, and then the Third section, save as AV_C.03.avi.

Now (with slight revision to files) you should have the following:

AV_A.01.avi -- you want to keep
AV_B.02.avi -- you want to replace with your *new* audio
AV_C.03.avi -- you want to keep

C -- with AV_B, you would set the audio for Browse for wav.. and insert your new
audio. Then, save as AV_B_newaudio (or something else according to your work habbit)
and give it that new name. Be sure that Direct Stream Copy is selected. And when
everything is set up and ready to go, you should now have the following, with a little
revision added to make things run smoothly with the Appending option in vdub set:

AV.01.avi -- you want to keep
AV.02.avi -- your *new* audio/video
AV.03.avi -- you want to keep

With a little luck, when you first open AV.01.avi file, all the rest should open up.
If not, I like to drag the first file onto vdub's window. This will insure that other
sequence (ie, 01, 02, 03 .. ) video files open in succession, as one video file.

Ohh. But there is even an *much* shorter way of doing this. But I'll leave that one
up to you as an excercise

Good luck. And let us know how you fair.

-vhelp 4378

[hech54]

THANK YOU for the confirmation that VirtualDub (although brilliant) isn't capable of doing it.

I think that you should be able to do it in VirtualDub. Although it might be a little
combersome to do.., it should still be do 'able.

You're right....it is "do-able" in VDub. I could accomplish it by either of these two methods(yours or GMaq's).....but it will require the patience of Ghandi....

I think I'm going to try my method first....using the original 5 minute video(including it's original audio) and chopping it to match the shorter "cd version" of the song.....demux....then actually mux the CD version to the chopped video.
If not....I'll use a combination of the your two methods above and VDub's "next logical portion recognition"(for lack of correct terminology) feature....and a bottle of whiskey....or at least a beer or two....

THANK YOU for the ideas guys.

[träskmannen]

I would take a slightly different approach. First - use the latest VirtualDub with the Smart Encoding mode (or whatever it is called - I don't have any version ov Vdub here and this connection is WAY too slow to download a copy to try - I think this wireless is being transmitted by smokesignals) to get frame-accurate cuts. Meaning: it will re-encode only the frames around your chosen point of cutting. Otherwise you can only cut at keyframes and that will give you problems.

Open the AVI and open the shorter WAV. Use the Delay audio function to synch the first part (music starts after the talking intro); Set start point at the start of the music and the end point at the first place you want to cut away. Save this under a new name (usint the smart-whatever mode). Play more with the delay sound function to synch the start of the second piece you want to keep, new end point, save as second name etc. Finally join all the little pieces and mux in the short WAV again. Use teh

So, I am basically suggesting the same coure of action as Vhelp, but with two important differences: a) Use the smart-whatever-mode of Virtual Dub and b) use the delay audio function to make sure that you get the cuts at the right places. It will be a pain in the ass but it should be possible. Good luck!

[hech54]

Actually I chose "Plan C"....or are we up to D now?

Anyway like i said...I know the "song" off by heart to I just
ran the song in WMP alongside the video playing in VDub while turning the audio off and on and did my cuts.

Turned out pretty darn cool too. It's no masterpiece but then again it's only for me and my friends.

Thanks Again for all of the advise everyone.