DVDs crap out at the end...

[newtie]

Hi all-

I seem to have a repeating problem with my backed up DVDs. Towards the end of the video, (sometimes in the middle) I get pauses, skips and square blocks. I use several backup apps including DVD Rebulider, TMPGDVD author, etc. Does anyone else experience this? Maybe disc/machine related (brand name) or something else? Can't quite figure this one out...

Thanks,
Mark

[Richard_G]

Crap media.

[redwudz]

That's almost always the media at fault, especially if it's at the end of the DVD. That part is burned near the outer edge of the disc. You may even be able to see some irregularities there. What brand are you using?

For good info on media, take a look at lordsmurf's site: http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/index.htm

You may also be able to find your media to the left in 'DVD Media' and see what others say about it.

If it happens with quality DVD media, then you may have a burner problem. The burning program or the data itself very rarely causes the problems you describe.

The good news is that the media is the easiest and cheapest item to change and always the first thing to try when having burning problems.

[newtie]

Guess what, I have 3rd rate media!

I think I'll go on a hunt tomorrow for new media... :>)

Thanks for your help, great forum!

Mark

[buttzilla]

Verbatim is usually the best you can find at most media centers. Though I have pretty good results with sony dvd-r. Taiyo Yuden is some of the best media you can get. I have to buy mine online since there is no one in my area that sells it.Go with DVD-r not DVD+R More compatable in stand alone dvd players. Lower your bun speeds too. I like 6X at least keep it below 8X.

[jaxxboss]

Verbatim is usually the best you can find at most media centers. Though I have pretty good results with sony dvd-r. Taiyo Yuden is some of the best media you can get. I have to buy mine online since there is no one in my area that sells it.Go with DVD-r not DVD+R More compatable in stand alone dvd players. Lower your bun speeds too. I like 6X at least keep it below 8X.

You couldnt be more wrong regarding the minus R Plus R.
By the way, whats a bun speed?
Burn speeds all vary depending on ones media and the burner itself.

[ntscuser]

Verbatim is usually the best you can find at most media centers. Though I have pretty good results with sony dvd-r. Taiyo Yuden is some of the best media you can get. I have to buy mine online since there is no one in my area that sells it.Go with DVD-r not DVD+R More compatable in stand alone dvd players. Lower your bun speeds too. I like 6X at least keep it below 8X.

You couldnt be more wrong regarding the minus R Plus R.
By the way, whats a bun speed?
Burn speeds all vary depending on ones media and the burner itself.

I agree with butzilla in that members of my particular video users group have had fewer compatibility issues with -R than with +R but I agree with you that the burner is a significant factor too. A decent burner can cope with almost any media.

[buttzilla]

Verbatim is usually the best you can find at most media centers. Though I have pretty good results with sony dvd-r. Taiyo Yuden is some of the best media you can get. I have to buy mine online since there is no one in my area that sells it.Go with DVD-r not DVD+R More compatable in stand alone dvd players. Lower your bun speeds too. I like 6X at least keep it below 8X.

You couldnt be more wrong regarding the minus R Plus R.
By the way, whats a bun speed?
Burn speeds all vary depending on ones media and the burner itself.

Sorry for the typo. I guess you don't make mistakes. By the way I use Plextor burners and Taiyo Yuden DVD-r's or on occassion Verbatim when I have ran out of Taiyo's.

[buttzilla]

Verbatim is usually the best you can find at most media centers. Though I have pretty good results with sony dvd-r. Taiyo Yuden is some of the best media you can get. I have to buy mine online since there is no one in my area that sells it.Go with DVD-r not DVD+R More compatable in stand alone dvd players. Lower your bun speeds too. I like 6X at least keep it below 8X.

You couldnt be more wrong regarding the minus R Plus R.
By the way, whats a bun speed?
Burn speeds all vary depending on ones media and the burner itself.

I agree with butzilla in that members of my particular video users group have had fewer compatibility issues with -R than with +R but I agree with you that the burner is a significant factor too. A decent burner can cope with almost any media.

Yes a decent burner can handle most media. But whay I was saying was A DVD-R is compatable in more stand alone Players.

[classfour]

BTW: I've seen correctly authored, and booktyped +R media - burned with the same burner, at identical speed = crap out.

I only use -R, as it is the only media (TY or Verbarim) that I can count on: And I'm counting on it on a commercial basis!

And, Yes; I've tried +R several times, with different burners: Either I'm not running the right burner (NEC, Plextor, LiteOn, Panasonic) for +R, or it's not as compatible.

[MOVIEGEEK]

whay I was saying was A DVD-R is compatable in more stand alone Players.

What's a "whay"? :P

I also think it's the media,I use TY or Verbatim(MCC) but the Sony isn't bad.I bought a 50 pack of the Sony because I couldn't wait and it was on sale...just for sh#ts & giggles I burned them at 16x and the errors were low.

[classfour]

typo.

we all hav thos

[buttzilla]

whay I was saying was A DVD-R is compatable in more stand alone Players.

What's a "whay"? :P

I also think it's the media,I use TY or Verbatim(MCC) but the Sony isn't bad.I bought a 50 pack of the Sony because I couldn't wait and it was on sale...just for sh#ts & giggles I burned them at 16x and the errors were low.

I have used the sony's also. Their on sale a lot at best buy. I have had good results with the hundred pack that are made in Taiwan then the 50 pack's that are made in Maylasia. But the errors were still low.

[budz]

Yes a decent burner can handle most media. But whay I was saying was A DVD-R is compatable in more stand alone Players.

DVD-R is more compatible with older standalone dvd players. There are newer models of standalone dvd players that are capable of playing back both formats DVD+/- media.

[mwkurt]

DVD-r is not more compatible. DVD+r with the bitset to ROM is more compatible.
Mark

[lordsmurf]

DVD-r is not more compatible. DVD+r with the bitset to ROM is more compatible.
Mark

Wrong.

Prior to bitsetting, DVD+R was maybe 70% compatible. With booktype options, it's now very close to DVD-R, in the 85-95% range.

DVD+R is not more compatible than DVD-R

With DL media, that changed. DVD+R DL is more compatible than DVD-R DL. Far more.

[oldandinthe way]

Even third rate media can be burned successfully with some drives. Many users knowingly (or unknowingly) sacrifice media burning success for other factors such as improved ripping speeds. Others fail to update their firmware and operate with sub-par write strategies. And some manufacturers fail to provide timely or any firmware updates.

The combination of drive and media is critical. Recent posts on this forum have identified problems with some burners and TY 16x media which is generally viewed as high quality.

Player compatibility issues are clearly most common in older DVD players. The fact that bitsetting improves the compatibility of +R media, emphasizes the fact that it is the player interpretation of what is written that is the source of the problem. Not knowing the distribution of old players by brand, it is difficult to conclude which media would be most compatible with these older beasts. Any generalization is likely to be faulty.

If compatibility with older players is an issue, the solution is pressed media. If the volume does not justify this you can alter your odds of success by media selection, but you will still get bitten in the ass by some players.

[mwkurt]

LordSmurf....I usually agree with most of what you say, but in this instance you are wrong.
Fooling the DVD player into believing that you have loaded onto it a commercial DVD by
changing the booktype of a +r DVD to ROM is about as compatible as it gets. I have posted
on this subject in the past and posted links to back this up. Here is another one for you. Although I know you will try to spin it to suit your views.
http://www.cdfreaks.com/reviews/Increased-compatibility-DVD-bitsetting

Mark

[newtie]

I ordered some of these a few minutes ago from Amazon so we'll see what happens...

Taiyo Yuden 8x 4.7GB DVD-R Silver Thermal in Cake Box (100 pack)

Mark

[lordsmurf]

LordSmurf....I usually agree with most of what you say, but in this instance you are wrong. Fooling the DVD player into believing that you have loaded onto it a commercial DVD by changing the booktype of a +r DVD to ROM is about as compatible as it gets. I have posted
on this subject in the past and posted links to back this up. Here is another one for you. Although I know you will try to spin it to suit your views. http://www.cdfreaks.com/reviews/Increased-compatibility-DVD-bitsetting
Mark

Part of the DVD-R spec took older players into consideration. Booktype is secondary to other factors.

DVD+R media was a final version of a series of flopped earlier R&D projects. No benefits were gained in physical compatibility (although they gave it the good college try), but there was some success with DVD+VR and DVD+Video standards, which was an improvement over DVD-VR options.

Your link says nothing about DVD+R with booktype being more compatible than DVD-R, simply that DVD+R can be booktyped to increase it's own compatibility. It links out of further documents that try to "prove" one format is better than another, but those are based purely on speculation (at the time, which was years ago) and theory. Most of that stuff never actually came to fruition, and the theory never materialized into actual experiences and proof of hypothesis.

The fact is DVD-R is far more compatibles, right out of the spindle, than DVD+R. Booktype your DVD+R, extra effort and drives required, and you're just about even with what a DVD-R can do.

Know that I use more DVD+R than DVD-R, because I have some burners that work better with DVD+R. YUDEN000T02 DVD+R are great discs.

[mwkurt]

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this point. I would like to add one more thing though.... as far as taking extra time to set the bit, I open the booksetting program for my Mad Dog writer once when I reboot my computer, select DVD-ROM, click okay and close the program. From then on every time that I burn a dvd it has the bit set to ROM. No extra effort at all.
Mark

[SCDVD]

At least there is some justice in the world. People that insist on buying junk media and then whine because they got burned has a form of poetic justice to it. There are two types of people that buy junk media. The first is the novice that just doesn't know any better. They go to a well known store and buy a brand they recognize (Is it Live or is it Memorex). Then they have problems. Some of them show up on this forum and ask about the problem; at least they get some help - and usually listen to good advice.

The second type of junk media buyer is the cheap jerk. They just love to argue. If you say "A", they say "B"; if you say "B", they say "A". When these jerks have problems, it frankly makes me happy. Their misery is richly deserved.

[lordsmurf]

No extra effort at all.Mark

I was actually quite pleased that DVD+R DL is auto-set to DVD-ROM in most burners.
There has been progress in auto-booktyping.

The second type of junk media buyer is the cheap jerk. They just love to argue. If you say "A", they say "B"; if you say "B", they say "A". When these jerks have problems, it frankly makes me happy. Their misery is richly deserved.

I feel the same way about DVD recorders. 8)

Princo on a Panasonic ... that's classic. So many people did that. Talk about a double screw.

[Richard_G]

Just to add my thoughts on this one. I always used TY 8x DVD-R and out of the last 3 projects I have done, I had 4 discs returned as unplayable out of almost 800 that were shipped. I supplied DVD+R bitset to DVD-ROM to these people and these all worked. However, all of them were trying to use players that specifically only supported DVD+R. Whether bitsetting made any difference or not I have no idea.

[buttzilla]

I have burned over a thousand video disk. Mostly DVD-R's. I have experimented withDVD+R's And i have to say out of returned disk that people complained about stuttering or pausing 99% of the problem disk were DVD+R's. I know new players can handle pretty much anything. Mine do. But when you distribute disk you have to take in to consideration that you do not know what type of player the buyer has. Old or new. So you have to try and use something that gives the best all around results. And DVD-R's have given me those results over and over.

[MOVIEGEEK]

The Sony 50 pack I bought were DVD+R 16x and the media code is Sony D21(made in Taiwan),I bought them at Staples for $17.
Again good burns depend on the writer and firmware you're using.
Back to the -R vs. +R debate....

[butt_crack]

The Sony 50 pack I bought were DVD+R 16x and the media code is Sony D21(made in Taiwan),I bought them at Staples for $17.
Again good burns depend on the writer and firmware you're using.
Back to the -R vs. +R debate....

I got some from frys, 50 pack for $9.50, the brand dvd+r is GQ