AVI to DVD

[agentc0re]

I guess i'll start out by saying, HELLO! it took me over 2 years to finally have the guts to post my questions here. i have been really trying to figure it out and understand it through reading all the guides and how to's i've found on this forum and doom9.

So i have read a lot on this forum about this subject and maybe this is just a "clear it up" for me so i stop trying to be mr. perfect. but i think that perfection can be done because i beleive that maybe i might be doing something wrong.

Now about 2 years ago i was using some tools and some of them i can't remember what i was using. wont go into it too much. one of them was tempenc. i think thats the only one important. (some of the avi's i had weren't allowed as "video" in tempenc so i had to reencode them). what i remember having to do back then was really change the pic W x H to allow it to fit on the screen. However since i don't remember the details i will just explain what is happening in the now since really thats all thats important.

Tools i am using today!
Gspot
AVIDEMUX 2
GUI for DVDauthor (w/dvdauthor)
DVD shrink (simple interface to allow me to burn my results to dvd

Alright. have you heard of the anime series Naruto? It's the only anime i watch and i love it. i really enjoy the fact that dattebayo subs it for free and releases it nearly the same day. and probably many like me that do this also wish they could eventually watch it on their TV (i have a 52" and my 20.1" wide pc monitor just doesn't do it)

anyways, all the AVIs are the same size. 640x480
SAR 4:3
PAR 1.000
DAR 4:3

when i place these into tmpgenc it says they are at a 1:1 ratio and are at 640x480. so i tried to convert them to wide screen or keep them at 4:3 and when they displayed on my TV it would cut off stuff from all edges. FYI this was back when i used TMPGenc. i only use AVIdemux 2

with AVIdemux 2, i experienced the same issues. Kept the SAR 1:1 and the DAR 4:3, SAR 4:3 DAR 4:3.... lots of different cominations and including wide screen. i wish i would have wrote them all down at the time but i think it was only the full screen options that i did that actually displayed the picture without boarders but it still cut off parts of the show on all edges.

if i made the SAR 16:9 and DAR 1:1 the top and bottom was no longer cut off. (i think it was just luck) so i felt like DR. Brown in Back to the future and genius struck me. the menu design feature has a grid, why don't i just take a screen shot, size that up to see where things are getting cut off on my menu image so when i fix that i will know the correct resize adjustments. and what do you know, it really helped me out. with a little bit more of playing around i found out the size it needed to be.

i added a Mplayer resize filter to resize 652 x 452 (bilinear)
and then black borders to make it 720x480


Once i did that, the show fit perfect on my TV (the menu background didn't, i still see the default blue background but i think it's cuz the picture i am using is a little bit crooked). Tested it on my neighbors TV (it's a small 27" maybe...) it's not a widescreen TV, but it displayed almost near perfect there too. cut a little off on just the edges but i think it was cuz of his TV (he said it does that to other shows) last test was at my grandmothers house on her TV. this is where it threw me in a loop. on my TV i have different aspect viewing options. the one that it is on when i play almost anything is full. so thats where i put it on my grandma's TV and the image was shrunk down. if i put it on zoom, it looked like it was on my tv.

keep in mind, all of these trials of different methods of encoding displayed great on my pc but not on the TV.

I guess what i am asking for help is, how can i convert these AVI's to display correct on all TV's (wide or full, just want it to fill the screen properly) according to the aspect ratio/resolution.

is it possible that the AVI isn't really holding the correct resolution of 640x480?

I hope i provided enough information.... cuz im pretty sure i provided enough background history! :P i would just really like to get this to work so that maybe i can offer it to the community.

[agentc0re]

man if i only would have joined and saw the newbie section instead of just searching for help i would have found the post about overscan. assuming thats my issue, which it sounds like it probably is.

Crap on me. hahah. however, if it's not or is... which ever i am up for helpful hints still.

[redwudz]

Take a look in our Subtitle Forum. Overscan problems are common with anime and subtitles. TV's vary by brand with how much overscan they have. 5% is the average quoted amount.

I'm also a fan of Studio Ghibli and also Naruto. And most other anime excepting some hentai.

And welcome to our forums.

[AlanHK]

The simplest way to resize, add borders, etc is with Avisynth scripts.

You can use FitCD to help generate these.

[agentc0re]

Ya i just found FitCD and you know whats funny is as soon as i put the episode in there it resized it to 656x448 which is almost what i had figured out 652x452. man... well at least i figured it out..... thats what i'll keep telling myself.

anyways. AVIdemux doesn't seem to like AVIsynth scripts.. correct me if im wrong but doesn't virtualdub use them and thats the program i should use to convert?

OH and Thanks redwudz! off topic, a friend of mine bought some naruto DVD's but the format was WAY crapy and the subbing sucked. the reason i want to turn DB sub'd episodes is cuz they do a good job. have you found any sub'd naruto dvd's in good quality with good subbing?

[AlanHK]

Ya i just found FitCD and you know whats funny is as soon as i put the episode in there it resized it to 656x448 which is almost what i had figured out 652x452. man... well at least i figured it out..... thats what i'll keep telling myself.

anyways. AVIdemux doesn't seem to like AVIsynth scripts.. correct me if im wrong but doesn't virtualdub use them and thats the program i should use to convert?

Many apps can read Avisynth scripts, and treat the output as if it were an AVI file. Those that don't can be tricked by using the frameserver, check elsewhere for details.

The various version of VirtualDub can read AVS files, and edit and reload them. VirtualDUB has a lot of filters of its own, most of which can also be put into AVS scripts. I mostly use it to fine tune an AVS script, but also useful for demultiplexing the audio.

It can output to a new AVI file, but unless you have a huge amount of space for an uncompressed file, you need to recompress and thus lose some quality.

When making DVDs I use an AVS file and load that in HCEnc to make the MPEG.
If you're encoding a series in which all the files are similar, you can just duplicate the scripts and change the filenames.

[redwudz]

agentc0re, unfortunately the Naruto episodes I have are hard subbed too low and the subs are usually lost at the bottom of most TVs. I usually watch them on the computer feeding a video projector to avoid that.

If I need to convert them to a DVD, I would have to add black borders around them to resize them to a TV format and still see the subs. Unfortunately a lot of fan-subbed anime videos are that way. The people that encode them just don't understand overscan.