Convert DV AVI to Progressive DVD

[maduser74]

Hi All,

I am not sure whether this topic has been discussed before or not... Please point to me if it has been.

I recently upgraded my TV to a 50" Sony RPTV and i have Philips 642 DVD player that has progressive scan output.

I have couple of home videos, taken with Sony TRV-11 camcorder, that doesn't look good on the 50"..

1. So i was wondering whether is it possible to convert the DV AVI which is 480i to 480p DVD ?
2. or Is it possible to convert the 29.97 DV AVI to 24 FILM progressive ?
3. or use Inverse pulldown or 3:2 telecine options in TMPGEnc while encoding the DV AVI ?

What is the best procedure to convert the DVAVI so that it can be watched on a 480p DVD player and 50" TV.

Thanks

[edDV]

Hi All,

I am not sure whether this topic has been discussed before or not... Please point to me if it has been.

I recently upgraded my TV to a 50" Sony RPTV and i have Philips 642 DVD player that has progressive scan output.

I have couple of home videos, taken with Sony TRV-11 camcorder, that doesn't look good on the 50"..

1. So i was wondering whether is it possible to convert the DV AVI which is 480i to 480p DVD ?
2. or Is it possible to convert the 29.97 DV AVI to 24 FILM progressive ?
3. or use Inverse pulldown or 3:2 telecine options in TMPGEnc while encoding the DV AVI ?

Thanks

1. Possible but deinterlacing a camcorder tape will be very very tricky and probably will look worse. Take it to a pro post house.

2. Possible but not optimal. Do this only if your camcorder was recording from a telecined film source or it is a high end 24P pro camcorder.

3. So you were recording a film sequence and not shooting with the camera? What model camcorder?

[edDV]

What is the best procedure to convert the DVAVI so that it can be watched on a 480p DVD player and 50" TV.

Normal DV camcorders record 480i. Recording is very high quality, overall picture quality depends on the camera section, lens and processing quality in the camcorder. This is why DV format camcorders range from in price from $200 to over $40,000.

480i -> 480p is a deinterlacing process. The 50" Sony RPTV should do this itself. Describe the issues you are seeing if you connect the camcorder to the TV over IEEE-1394 or S-Video?.


PS: TV and camcorder model numbers will help.

[maduser74]

Hi edDV,,

Thanks for the reply..

Camcorder model is TRV-11.. its the regular miniDV camcorder.
TV Model is KDFE50A10 RPTV.

The issue i am seeing is similar how Standard Definition signal will look on HD TV. little blurred around the edges. My Philips DVD player does do 480p output but doesn't do upconversion...

So somtimes homevideos that i made is less quality than SD signal. The quality i am talking about is after making the homevideos into DVD using Pinnacle Studio not raw DV AVI. Sorry for any misunderstanding..

I understand if i have a expensive DV camcorder or up conversion DVD player would have a better PQ, but i am looking for a solution that can be done to improve PQ.

Thanks

[edDV]

Hi edDV,,

Thanks for the reply..

Camcorder model is TRV-11.. its the regular miniDV camcorder.
TV Model is KDFE50A10 RPTV.

The issue i am seeing is similar how Standard Definition signal will look on HD TV. little blurred around the edges. My Philips DVD player does do 480p output but doesn't do upconversion...

So somtimes homevideos that i made is less quality than SD signal. The quality i am talking about is after making the homevideos into DVD using Pinnacle Studio not raw DV AVI. Sorry for any misunderstanding..

I understand if i have a expensive DV camcorder or up conversion DVD player would have a better PQ, but i am looking for a solution that can be done to improve PQ.

Thanks

The TRV-11 is a good second tier single CCD 480i DV camcorder. The KDFE50A10 is a second tier good LCD progressive projection display. Blowing 480i up to 50" will magnify issues with the camcorder and display deinterlacer processing. Neither are high end.

An upscaling DVD player will read the 480i DVD and attempt a 480p conversion but you are betting that the DVD player is going to do a better job than the WEGA processor in the TV. Do it both ways and see for yourself. They should be similar if in the same hardware generation.

Software conversion 480i to 480p should be worse than either hardware option. There is no film so there are no telecine issues. This is standard 480i/29.97.

Only realistic option is to take it to a high end post house for a run through their $20K+ motion adaptive broadcast deinterlacers. Ask for a sample first. Shakey hand held camcorder sources are the most difficult to deinterlace. Consumer equipment is nowhere near that level.

Shooting with a high end 24p DV camcorder isn't necessarily the solution because most consumers refuse the limitations of heavy tripods and lighting required for 24p film technique. Smooth handheld skills are not easy to learn.

[maduser74]

Thanks edDV..

Thats what i thought...second/professional opinion always helps..

Thanks

[Puddinhead]

I am using a spx800 and would like to make DVDs that play back as progressive scan.

So I figured I's shoot at 16:9, 24pa (advanced).

Problem is that after I shoot, the video is recorderd as 60fps.

Thus, wehn I edit I edit on a 24fps timeline but am I editing
60fps that was shot at 24fps.

Then I output the finished edit timeline as an AVI at 24fps.

That whole process seems to take it's toll on the video.

Is there anyway to do this without resulting in so many video artifacts ?

many thanks,

Patrick

[edDV]

I am using a spx800 and would like to make DVDs that play back as progressive scan.

So I figured I's shoot at 16:9, 24pa (advanced).

Problem is that after I shoot, the video is recorderd as 60fps.

Thus, wehn I edit I edit on a 24fps timeline but am I editing
60fps that was shot at 24fps.

Then I output the finished edit timeline as an AVI at 24fps.

That whole process seems to take it's toll on the video.

Is there anyway to do this without resulting in so many video artifacts ?

many thanks,

Patrick

You need an edit program that can import 24pa (advanced) and place it into a 24fps project timeline. The process extracts fields and combines them back into merged 24p order. Program examples are Premiere Pro 2 and Final Cut Pro. Others like Vegas 7, AvidXPress, etc. probably do it in their latest versions. Check specs for 24p advanced import.

Read this overview of the issues for 24p advanced. The DVX-100 would be recording in a similar way to the DVCPro spx800 in this case.
http://www.adamwilt.com/24p/

[jman98]

maduser74 - How is your DVP-642 connected to your TV? I've got mine using the component output and it's setup for output to a progressive TV and I'm getting really good pictures on my 40 inch Samsung that does 1080p. If you're using a less than optimal connection to your TV (S-Video or, shudder, single cable composite), that may play some role in the poor quality.