Two Pioneer Drives Work Seperately, But Not Together

[Gildor57]

I recently replaced my Pioneer DVD 107D burner with a 111D model. Nothing was wrong with the 107, I was just upgrading speed, DL capability, etc. My other drive on the IDE cable is a fully functioning Lite-On CDRW. As I said the 107 was working fine, and the 111D works great also. The problem comes when I try to hook up the 107 and 111 at the same time.

I'd like to do some DVD-to-DVD copying and so I'd like to use my old 107 as the source drive. But when I hook up the 107 to the slave position (yes, the jumpers are correct on all drives; 111 is the master), my whole system is brought to its knees and I cannot seem to get either drive to work. The system *does* recognize both drives correctly, it just doesn't work. When I reconnect my CDRW as slave, everything is hunky dory again.

The 111 has been upgraded to Pioneer fw 1.23 (the latest AFAIK). I don't know what the fw version of the 107 is, but it was working fine when I pulled it.

I guess I could go out and get a DVD ROM drive, but it seems like a waste given I have a perfectly functioning drive available.

Short of making the 107 the master drive again as a test to see if it truly is still working, am I missing something here?

[budz]

Try a new 80 wire IDE cable. Make sure the PIONEER 111D drive is set to DMA mode. Is your PIONEER 111D set to UDMA 4? If it isn't then that could be the problem. Use this link to check DMA:

http://www.cdrlabs.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=7625

Burning on the fly isn't the best. It is better to rip to your hard drive first then burn to dvd.

[redwudz]

I assume they are both individually listed in the BIOS? Any yellow check marks in Device manager?

It may be that the registry information for the old drive is still in there. Here's some info: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=320553

Here's a program to show you their settings: http://www.bustrace.com/products/devfilter.htm

You can also do a Google search for 'DVD Upper and Lower Filters' to get more info.

[bevills1]

DVD to DVD copy may work for data DVDs, but with DVD video I get a hazy copy when I try to just copy disk. I use DVDDecrypter iso read and iso write for this purpose which produces excellent video copies.

Are DVD burners on same IDE cable, and is one set as master and the other set as slave? Check to make sure jumpers are correctly set depending on how drives are connected.

[Gildor57]

Try a new 80 wire IDE cable.

Did that. No effect on the problem.

Make sure the PIONEER 111D drive is set to DMA mode. Is your PIONEER 111D set to UDMA 4? If it isn't then that could be the problem. Use this link to check DMA:

Checked. Pioneer is already set to UDMA4.

Burning on the fly isn't the best. It is better to rip to your hard drive first then burn to dvd.

DVD to DVD copy may work for data DVDs, but with DVD video I get a hazy copy when I try to just copy disk.

Certainly, I go to the hard drive first when backing up commercial discs. But is this also true when copying DVDs of home produced video clips with no protection or encryption (which is what I am trying to do here)?

I assume they are both individually listed in the BIOS? Any yellow check marks in Device manager? [...]It may be that the registry information for the old drive is still in there. [...]

Yes, BIOS and Device Manager don't indicate any problems.

The filter/registry thing seems like more trouble than its worth. <sigh> Looks like I'll just have to use the one drive.

Thanks, I do appreciate all the replies!

[blinky88]

As budz said above, use an 80 conductor IDE cable and set the 111D as the Master and the 107D as the Slave, I think that will overcome your problem.

A 40 coductor cable is OK for the 107 but the 111 does need the 80 conductor cable.