Love my TBC-1000, hate my JVC S5902

[Don James]

I'm new to converting VHS to DVD. Not totally new. I've been making streaming video for my company for years, but it's a different art sort of, since video distortions get minimized as you shrink the video size. For example, in this before and after adding the TBC in the line, it looks like it pretty much fixed all the movement, but at full size there's still waviness in the vertical lines, just a lot less.

http://www.kozenrufu.com/pre-tbc.wmv
http://www.kozenrufu.com/post-tbc.wmv

It seems like the new Circuit City SVHS ($200) I used is causing as much distortion as it's supposed to help. A regular Sony VCR plays this tape with little distortion (but with a lot less resolution).

So the S5902 goes back, just bought a S9800 on ebay, used but in good condition (allegedly) for $250. Watch out for liars on the internet, some of these camera shops say they have high end JVCs in stock and do not. Call them first, I doubt anyone has the top end JVCs in stock these days.

Mine should arrive on Tuesday, hoorah! I've been eating this place up, it's rich with information, Lord Smurf's place too. Effing great! If you're looking for a high end JVC, this seller says he moves a lot of them. 100% postive feedback. And no, I'm not him

http://stores.ebay.com/AUDIO-4-LESS

Don

[Don James]

Watch out for Unethical businesses

There's a S9800U advertised as if it's in stock

http://www.cambridgeworld.com/detail.php?item_id=11524

and you can add to cart, go thru the paying process, and they don't have it in stock. I did this and called later that day (Monday) and the guy told me he didn't have it and would try and get one for me. ??? It said "add to cart" not "add your wishlist to cart". I got a little upset and asked what the #@$$# was that and he said "it happens". ???? So I told him to forget it and he said my card would not be charged. I've checked several times and it wasn't charged. It's a pretty unethical way to try and snag a customer. Get them to buy, then hope they'll wait for delivery (which would probably never happen, has anyone bought one of these new lately?)

There's another one out there, Free Trade Photo.com and they say they have one as well.

http://www.freetradephoto.com/JVCHR-S9800US-VHSVCR.htm

I called and he said no, didn't have one at the moment. I emailed both of them and told them that was a poor practice (possibly criminal but I didn't say that). both of them still have them advertised as if they have it in stock. Both have add to cart websites. Beware

[Fos]

Just a comment :

My tbc-1000 never removes "waves effect". I have been thinking that my svhs output (JVC-hr-s7700) is like the Tbc-1000 output ,the signal is digitalized.
That's mainly the reason why my old SVHS player(Panasonic SVHS,1996 era) can work well with the TBC and NOW the TBC can remove the "waves effect"!

I don't know if I am in the certain thing.....

[Don James]

Just a comment :

My tbc-1000 never removes "waves effect". I have been thinking that my svhs output (JVC-hr-s7700) is like the Tbc-1000 output ,the signal is digitalized.
That's mainly the reason why my old SVHS player(Panasonic SVHS,1996 era) can work well with the TBC and NOW the TBC can remove the "waves effect"!

I don't know if I am in the certain thing.....

Fos, I looked up your VCR online and found your model has a TBC/DNR which is cleaning up the signal as it leaves your VCR, then your 1000 can fix any jerky movements which is all mine did in my example. It did clean up "some" vertical waviness. I'm really looking forward to getting my S9800 which also has a TBC/DNR like yours and I suspect I won't see the waviness coming out of the S9800 as I did with my other machine.

[davideck]

The first TBC in the path is the one which performs the timebase correction. Any errors that it fails to correct will then be embedded into the image. A downstream TBC will not "see" them as errors.

A TBC-1000 after a JVC TBC/DNR will provide frame synchronization (and may improve vertical jerkiness), but it will not provide additional correction of the horizontal "waviness" demonstrated in the clips. Fortunately, the JVC TBC/DNR does a great job of correcting these types of horizontal timebase errors.

[Don James]

well, since I'm trying to learn restoration, having the 2nd TBC will be a big help as it appears some old VHS tapes definitely have vertical jerkiness in them. I can't wait until I get my JVC with TBC/DNR, it's so clear now that you really need the right equipment to do restoration I suppose to get a good new prosumer VHS machine with TBC/DNR and other filters these days you have to buy an expensive combo unit? I gave up and went with used as it seems the good units are near-impossible to find new anymore.

[davideck]

My DataVideo TBC was invaluable to me as a frame synchronizer when I was capturing SVHS/VHS tapes with my PVR-250. Without it, I was having audio/video sync issues, even with my S9600U VCR. It completely eliminated them.

[Don James]

I really appreciate your input and those of the more senior members of this forum (and art). It's hard to get to the more subtle aspects of this craft without first addressing the primary aspects which are hardware related. This can't be emphasized too much or as Lordsmurf says "like trying to drive without tires. It can be done but you really don't want to go that route if you can be educated not to" Again thanks for all of the input and how-to's. Don

[Fos]

Using my Panasonic SVHS i can get "rigid"signals and well , it doesn't have DNR but Avisynth does it! The D. 1000 TBC does a awesome work with him.
I would like to use my Panasonic svhs for transfer tapes but since the heads are very used, every picture have "spots" and scratches , in almost tapes.... i bought it from ebay , i was ripped off.

There are a lot of tapes wich aren't compatible with the JVC svhs. The tbc/dnr doesn't works well in the "hard" tapes for capture. All tapes works FINE with Panasonic svhs.
I don't like my jvc picture quality , really , OLD machines does a better job. Comparing a lot of tapes , almost seems better in the panasonic. I would like to buy a pro VCR (panasonic AG) or the end model of the NV-HS series (Panasonic NV-HS1000). This model have TBC and DNR. Seems interesting.

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[lordsmurf]

All tapes works FINE with Panasonic svhs.

No. There is not a VCR invented to date that will handle all tapes all the time. Any number of errors can cause different reactions from different machines. That is precisely why somebody who does a lot of VHS restoration/conversion has to own a handful of different VCRs.