three movies on one disk can it be done

[rocketqueen]

hello ive got a trilogy i want to put onto one disk is there anyway of doing this thanks.

[bits]

Why???

[edsmith77]

Yes !

[rocketqueen]

just out of curiosity thats all, ive read some were you can do it some format call kvcd http://www.kvcd.net/portal/index.php
just wondering has anyone tried it yet

[Oscar wallace]

I Put Bugs Life, Monsters inc, Toy Story, Aladdin and Finding Nemo all on one DVD 4.7 GB using Kwags KDVD half DVD template.

[rocketqueen]

I Put Bugs Life, Monsters inc, Toy Story, Aladdin and Finding Nemo all on one DVD using Kwags KDVD half DVD template.

what was the quality like and did it take long to finish

[Oscar wallace]

what was the quality like and did it take long to finish

Took about 5 hours for each film though my computer is slow (AMD 1.3) I put a couple in TMPGEnc batch encoder before I went bed and they were done when I woke up in the morning.

I used just the KDVD template and I never used a script,quality wise they are good but thats my opinion, best try yourself and do a ten minute sample and see for yourself,go and look round KVCD site linked above ( though I think its 3 dollars to join). you will get all the help you need there, some guy has put all three matrix films on one DVD and as put alot of screenshots up which look pretty good.

[greymalkin]

it really depends on how long the trilogy is. I put the Back to the Future Trilogy on one dual layer and even on a 55" HD it looks ok. On my 27" SDTV I can't really tell a difference. I did do a little more editing though, chopping them up a little further so they ran through seamlessly. Total running time was approx. 5:17.

If you are planning on doing like lord of the rings you can forget it

[wcb4]

it is quite easy to put an entire trtilogy on a DVD and gt pretty good quality to boot, and it does not require stretching the structure like kvcd to do it...
a standard DVD holds 2 hours at full D1 resolution (704x480 mpeg 2) It can also hold 4 hours at 1/2 D1 (352x480 mpeg 2) and an amazing 8 hours at what some call SIF and other call 1/4 D1 (352x240 mpeg 1) if that last spec sounds familiar, that is because it is. Its the video structure of VCD. The only thing you need to change from the VCD spec is the audio... use 48 khz instead of 44. You can even use the same tools and tutorials listed here. I personally use DVD2AVI, then TMPGEnc. Load the VCD template, then the unlock template, then change the audio.

I have done the matrix trilogy, the back tot he future trilogy, the Star Wars trilogy and the indian jones trilogy to singel DVDs Why? because I can, that's why... actually because I have taken the kids Elmo DVDs and transcoded to the proper format and burned about 8 wonderful hours (oh joy) of elmo onto a single DVD (yippee) that I pop in, and hit play. It works wonderfully because my DVD player remembers last play, so we let them watch for an hour or so. then just stop and turn it off.. next day, turn the player on, hit play and it picks up where it left off.... on disc for a week.

If you do use the KVCD template, you will loose quality, but you would be able to put the lord of the rings trilogy on a single dvd (someone earlier said you were not oging to be doing that).

[edDV]

You could also quad display 4 176x120 movies as a VCD frame and get 32 hours. Just use the player zoom to choose your movie.

Likewise a 3x3 split could get you 72 hours of 116x80 and so on.


PS: you can also get 34 people into a VW Beetle
http://www.recordholders.org/en/list/carcram.html

[guns1inger]

Elmo I can understand, but why would you butcher a movie down to VCD "quality" just to save you dragging your fat ar$e off the couch to change discs ?

Oh, that's right "because you can".

[greymalkin]

wcb..

we are trying to promote quality video, not how much can i slam on a dvd as edDV humorously took to extremes.

I bought the back to the future trilogy on dvd because I wanted to have a high quality copy of a movie i enjoyed from my childhood...why would I ruin it by lowering the resolution and cramming 5.5 hours on a single layer dvd? It doesn't make sense. When I combined the 3 of them on my pc they sat there for a year because I did not have a dl burner and I knew squeezing it to SL would be pointless. you are completely forsaking what is good about dvd when you play this "how many minutes can i get on a dvd" game. You might as well bypass the computer altogether and hook up a vcr with an 8 hour tape in it. You can push stop on it and when you hit play again it will start right where you stopped it..that's a *standard* feature with vcr's

[edDV]

Curious that the New VW Beetle only holds 27 people vs 34 for the old Beetle. I would have guessed the new one was larger.
http://www.recordholders.org/en/list/carcram.html

[edDV]

Opps, I went too far with the 3x3 =9

The DVD standard only allows 8 audio tracks so one movie must be a silent film from the 20's.

[ZippyP.]

... just to save you dragging your fat ar$e off the couch to change discs ?

That's why I bought a 5 disk changer. And my arse ain't fat.

[wcb4]

The original poster, rocketqueen, asked if it could be done, not if it should be done. If you have a DVD burner and you have the high quality source, then by all means make 3 DVDs.... even good quality blanks are cheap.

As to why I did it.....Its not so much a matter of dragging my fat arse anywhere. I have a huge collection of stuff that I encoded to vcd over the years... Some of it is animation, which to me, is usually fine in vcd quality (I even copied the vcd files of Lain to my Zen Vision M to watch once again.) Many of those files I will just throw away. Some are pretty well encoded (a properly encoded vcd can actually look quite nice, not DVD, but not bad) I first started playing with using SIF and 1/2D1 videos on DVD to make use of those.

I actually own the full DVDs of the indian jones, back to the future, star wars, and matrix trilogies. It just so happens that I also had made vcds of them way back when. When I mentioned that I could put 3 movies on a single DVD at that quality, and that I had done it with VCD files before, my Dad asked me if I could make him a single disc of the indy movies. Since I already had the encodes, and it would only take me an hour or two, I did, and while I was at it, I did the other trilogies as well since I already had them on vcds to, so it was only a matter of copying them over and reauthoring.

Can you do it, hell yes, better than KVCD, oh yes, should you do it, no, not unless you can't help it for some reason.

[greymalkin]

alright wcb..you have proven to be sound of mind and body. we no longer suspect you of being a threat to national security .

rocketqueen DID however come back a few posts later and inquire about the quality of another posters dvd he created.

I think what we really need is for ROCKETQUEEN to come back to the forum and give us some more info before we turn this into a 100 post thread about our preferences :P

What are the movies you are wanting to convert and how long are they.
What quality is acceptable to you..do you want to keep it near dvd, somewhere between dvd/vhs or is vhs quality fine with you?

you have seasoned trilogy dvd makers of all kinds waiting to help you!

..and i still don't believe you'll get all 3 lord of the rings on a SL dvd...i bet you couldn't tell the difference between sam and frodo.

[ozymango]

Curious that the New VW Beetle only holds 27 people vs 34 for the old Beetle. I would have guessed the new one was larger.l

It's the bud vase flower holder in the new Beetle, it takes up precious cargo room. :P

I can't believe they got 39 people in an original Mini, I rode in one once and we could barely fit the two of us!!!

[rocketqueen]

ok the movie is back to the future trilogy
running time is 5 hours & 5mins long
ive joined the three together with no end credits
vcd quality would be acceptable
and i do own the original copys
thanks everyone for your interest

[rds_correia]

Can you do it, hell yes, better than KVCD, oh yes, should you do it, no, not unless you can't help it for some reason.

If you do it, just make sure you can make it look like this http://www.kvcd.net/portal/news.php?lng=en&pg=&id=2

Cheers

[rocketqueen]

louse screen shots are amazing quality

[guns1inger]

Stills mean nothing. Even in very average encodes you can get good quality i-frames, then everything else in between is crap. Every KDVD sample I have seen has shown obviously signs of over compression - pulsating, DCT blocks etc.

I am also always amazed at how only those with a vested interest are able to get such apparent quality, when no-one in the real world seems to be able to do it.

[greymalkin]

rocketqueen! I am glad to hear this! If you want to make it a seamless movie as i have done I have a few suggestions for you. The quality is very good on an sdtv..i can't say i could tell the difference between it and the source dvd unless perhaps if i had a side by side comparison. On my parents 55" widescreen you can see somewhat of a difference but it's still vastly superior to the alternative (vhs).

Okay, to maintain the best quality you will want to shoot for burning it to dl media. do you have a dl burner? If so read on:

BTTF1 to BTTF2: I spliced the films at scene changes and you simply can not tell that you have crossed over to the next movie.

1) Rip the dvd's to your hard drive using whatever you choose. keep it at 100% quality if using dvd-shrink.

2) For the next step I used Womble MPEG Video Wizard. You can make frame accurate cuts and do a stream copy when you are finished to make the one BIG mpeg file with the AC3 5.1 audio. Load the three movies up and splice them at the following points:

BTTF1 cut 1: Marty is in the "changed" 1985 and George's first novel just got brought in. Biff comes around and says to marty "here's your keys..you're all waxed up ready for tonight". Marty says "keys?" and the scene changes to the garage door. cut bttf1 right before the scene change and discard the rest of BTTF1.

BTTF2 cut 1:
Obviously you want to cut the beginning off until the scene where the screen is black and then the garage door opens. Butt this up against BTTF1.

BTTF2 cut 2: The next thing you will want to do is cut out the opening credits of BTTF2. All I did is waited untill the delorean flew off into the future and it went back to biff staring into the sky wondering what is going on...after biff i cut it because all it shows is clouds during the opening credits...come back in right after the credits end and you will be just in time for the delorean to appear in 2015.

BTTF2 cut 3: I chose to cut towards the end of BTTF2 between when the delorean makes contact with the lightning cable overhead and there is a brilliant flash of light...the scene then changes to doc still laying on the ground, beginning to sit up. cut right after the Delorean makes contact with the cable and before it goes to doc. discard the rest of BTTF2

BTTF3 cut 1: okay, once again you obviously want to cut it right after the Delorean hits the cable so it begins with doc sitting up on the sidewalk. Discard everything in BTTF3 before that point.

BTTF3 cut 2: This is the last one! Okay...doc is celebrating and marty comes running around the corner. Doc is bewildered and marty explains he's back from the future. Doc says "Great Scott" and passes out..the screen goes to black and the music starts playing as the title comes across the screen. I cut right after doc faints and the screen goes to black but before the music starts playing. Here's where a sacrifice had to be made. I cut out all of the opening credits which shows doc's car pulling up to his house and a panning around inside his house....immediately after the credits end the camera slowly zooms into a tv playing only static for a few seconds..then the howdy doody show comes on. you want to come back in right after ROBERT ZEMECKIS fades away so you have a little of the static before howdy doody shows up. It works out beautifully as when you watch the edited version doc says "Great Scott!", passes out...the screen goes to black and then...static tv and howdy doody time...Doc then jumps up from the couch where he was sleeping and again proclaims "Great Scott!"....it actually helps create the illusion that doc suspects..that he was just having a vision of marty and that he wasn't real..of course marty is there and explains everything that happens anyways.

You will then have a continuous 5 hour: 17 min back to the future!

3) Next what I did was a bit of trickery. I went ahead and authored it in TDA 1.6 (30 day fully functional trial i might add), ignoring the errors that it's just too big to fit on a DL dvd. Go ahead and make your chapter points where you want. Make sure you put on in the library scene on BTTF2 where doc is explaining why the 1985 they came back to is so messed up. preferably at a scene change if possible. author it in tDA.

4) Then, take the DVD files and load them into DVD Shrink. Shrink them so they are just big enough to fit on a DL dvd. Also use Deep Analysis Mode. You are now ready to burn.

5) Sonic Record Now Max 7.3 is good for making DL dvd's. I used it for one of my copies and CopytoDVD for another. The RecordNow version is most compatible with other players but the CopytoDVD doesn't have even the slightest pause when switching layers.

If you want it to be a good quality end product without loooong encoding times that you will be proud to show off then this is the way that worked well for me.

i've seen the KDVD option in TMPGEnc Xpress but never gave it much attention...the "sample" video's do look good but I'm having trouble seeing how that much compression can yield similar results to DVD.

[rocketqueen]

(clapps hands ) great guide man i mostly done everything you have but i never edited the car scene in bbbf3 at the begining,the rest just joins together perfectly.must give your guide ago thanks again lot of work you put into that

[greymalkin]

thanks..i'm really proud of it...but i had to harrass alot of the fine folks here @ videohelp to get it how i wanted it. They helped me with issues along the way. You may certainly try converting it to this KDVD format after you get the edited mpeg..i just can't say how it will look and i find it hard to believe it will maintain the integrity of the method I have shown.

the rules I'm giving you will actually probably produce a better quality version than I have. I originally shrank the three movies to an estimated size I thought would fit on DVD...when i got them all together and it was too big i had to shrink a second time...yours will only have to be shrunk once and with deep analysis it should maintain more of the quality. Mine still looks fabulous though!

The video part was the quick and easy part actually...well i say that now cause I've got the experience...trying it out the first time around i wasted a LOT of time cause i didn't know what i was doing or the right sequence to do it in. I actually spent more time on the audio though..i decided I wanted to make a "clean" version so I extracted the 5.1 to 6 mono .wav's and listened to the center channel track for the entire duration of the film!

This is something I have dreamed of doing though since i was a child but didn't have the technology or know-how to do it until about a year ago.

oh..i wanted to add in the big "guide" post i made...the copytodvd program gave me a seamless layer break but that's just in my Pioneer 563A model..it does NOT work properly in the other models i tried...so if you've got one of those dvd players that will play anything you throw at it you can try copytoDVD but to be safe i'd use recordnow. You also need to put the chapter point at the library scen because that is a good place for a layer break. Now I chose it there because I chopped all the ending credits off as well..if you leave the credits you might have to go back and re-figure the exact middle of the film and then pick a chapter point somewhere just after the middle.

[FulciLives]

I've thought of doing this with the EVIL DEAD trilogy. Since each basically picks up where the last ended it would be fairly easy to create one long "cut" that plays straight through.

I never attempted it though knowing that it would be too long for "acceptable" quality.

Maybe with HD DVD or Blue Ray DVD it might be possible to do it as those formats have a lot of space if you keep the video at standard 720x480 DVD resolution (assuming those formats support that which I assume they will).

So I "feel" for rocketqueen but the technology just isn't here yet.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

P.S.
Come to think of it this idea would also work well with the four PHANTASM films. I also always liked the idea that HALLOWEEN II picks up exactly where HALLOWEEN ended ... that would make once kewl extra long film to put those two together. In fact that would be "doable" as it would probably only be 3 hours ... perfect for Half D1 resolution.

[Oscar wallace]

Sorry double post.

[Oscar wallace]

Can you do it, hell yes, better than KVCD, oh yes.

All I can say is you have never made a proper KVCD.

[SatStorm]

6 Hours are possible on a DVD5 with good picture quality, when you use 352 x 576 framesize (352 x 480 for NTSC) and bitrates around 3500kb/s.
11 Hours per DVD are possible on a dual layer disc the same way

If you use multipass VBR and filtering, the results could be very good. Like a pro- SVHS tape or an average commercial DVD disc

[FulciLives]

6 Hours are possible on a DVD5 with good picture quality, when you use 352 x 576 framesize (352 x 480 for NTSC) and bitrates around 3500kb/s.
11 Hours per DVD are possible on a dual layer disc the same way

If you use multipass VBR and filtering, the results could be very good. Like a pro- SVHS tape or an average commercial DVD disc

What drug are you on at the moment my friend?

Using the videohelp.com bitrate calculator for 6 hours on a DVD5:



That is a far cry from 3500kb/s.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman