CD+G or CDG and toast

[rotuts]

sorry if this is the wrong forum, or I tried to post this a few second ago and don't know where it went

what are CD+G or CDG formats? does Toast 6.xx archive them
apparently they are used for karaoke and if I get one of thses machines for the kids, I better be able to back up the stuff you buy or they won't last long

thanks and sorry if the wrong place. anybody kn ow the right place

rotut

[AntnyMD]

Authoring CD+G content : no
Copying CD+G discs : yes, via disc image .. however your actual burner needs to be capable of burning the subchannel data that is the "+g" part of cd+g. if your burner doesnt support it, the burner will ignore this information in the disc image

[Cornucopia]

CDG or CD+G info:

This is a standard Audio CD to which has been added text/graphics/subtitles to the R-W subcode area (normally all ZERO's and ignored). Similar in basic functionality to CD+Text, but quite different in format (also CD+Text ONLY does text, no graphics).

To read correctly: Must have both drive and software which can read full subcode (usual PQ, plus R-W) (not many). Often also called DAO-96.

To write/burn correctly: Must have both drive and software which can write full subcode (usual PQ, plus R-W) (not many). Often also called DAO-96.

The two aren't always the same, so...

To do disc2disc copy correctly: Must have both drive that can read full subcode, and drive that can write full subcode, AND software that can read and that can write full subcode (not many).

To "Play" the CDG" must have hardware CDG player ("Karaoke") or software player--regular CD player software WILL NOT work. See http://www.tricerasoft.com/ for starters.

To EDIT/CREATE CDG, must have Karaoke/Subtitle software that supports CDG (not many & usually $$). See http://powerkaraoke.com for starters.

Use Nero/DriveInfo, etc. to see if your drive(s) support CDG/R-W subcode.

Toast does NOT support full R-W subcode (AFAIK), so cannot read, copy or write CDG info.

You'll have MUCH better luck getting apps to work on CDG if you're using a PC. Sorry Mac guys, that's just the way it is right now.

Scott

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NB: Just found out my new Cyberhome 300 DVD player is a full CDG player as well!
Doesn't have mic/karaoke features like my daughter's dedicated CDG player, but works great.

[AntnyMD]

Toast does NOT support full R-W subcode (AFAIK), so cannot read, copy or write CDG info.

Good point in light of the rest of your post. I assumed CD-Text was just CD+G without graphics.

I suppose all thats left is just to test .. and teach your children the value of treating their things nicely.

[rotuts]

maybe the best answer is no karaoke. after all I might have to hear it!

so the info on disk image is incorrect? I have a pioneer DVR-107 and i think this reads the cd+g. can I then make a disk image? I don't knw how to do this. and thus avoid toast?

pls let me know.

are karaoke DVD like reg DVD's?

thnaks

[AntnyMD]

Use Toast to make a disc image. Insert cd+g disc, and fire up Toast. Click the Copy tab and hit Apple-D. Instant disc image.

[Cornucopia]

Good news-the Pioneers read full subcode (and probably write it also)
Bad news-Toast 5 DID NOT support reading/writing subcode (maybe v6 does, I don't know but I doubt it unless they are explicitly supporting CD+Text also).
Therefore:
unless Toast expressly says it's copying/saving a full 2448byte/sector disc image, it will only copy 2352bytes/sector, thereby ignoring R-W and only recreating on the fly the PQ.

Try CDRWIN on a PC...

Scott

[AntnyMD]

Toast 6 supports CD-Text. Toast 5 does not.

[Cornucopia]

Oh Ho!

So maybe Toast 6 might work...

Well, the proof is in the pudding, so stick a CD-RW in there and test it out!

Scott

[rotuts]

my pioneer might support this (107-D) and I have toast 6.xx

as soon as I get my hands on a CG+G Ill try this and report back.

do they have to be written to a CD-RW not a regular CD-R?

thanks for the start here.

rotut

[Cornucopia]

R or RW doesn't matter, although, if you have a very old CDG player, it may not play RW.

Scott

[rotuts]

Corn and Ant:

Ive made a disk image with toast on the desk top. the file says:

audio CD.Sd2f. its 650MB. I don't know how to burn a disk immage Ill fool arond with it, but im going in a few hours to where there is a DVD/CD+G karaoke machine and like to takew the copy with me to see if it works.

no karaoke here yet.

hope get reply soon! Ill fiddle with toast and ask for "help" Duh

rotut

[rotuts]

Well I have the disc image in toast. using the revolutionary method of using the toast "help"

although the file is 650MB on my desk top, its 128 minutes in toast.

there are 20 tracks on the CDG: 10 for karaoke, the same 10 songs agaiin on vocal.

but 40 tracks on the disk image.

mabe Ill just burn an experimental cd with less stuff on it.

rotut

[AntnyMD]

Go back into Toast 6, select the Copy tab. On the left, a tray should pop out ... if it does, select Image File, then locate your image file (or drag-n-drop it into this window) and click the pulsing red burn button.

[rotuts]

Here is what Ive done so far: I mounted the disk image in toast and:

I burned 3 CD's: audioCD, Mixed modeCD, enhanced audioCD from the disk image.

none seem to show the lyrics on the CG+G player. Im here for about 2 more hours, but don't know how to look into toast telling me what its writing.

"unless Toast expressly says it's copying/saving a full 2448byte/sector disc image, it will only copy 2352bytes/sector, thereby ignoring R-W and only recreating on the fly the PQ."

Im afraid I do not know what this means. I did manage to get the files down to 650 MB, it initially [ut the file in there twice.

rotut

[AntnyMD]

Dont mount the disc -- It gets interpreted as a music CD by Finder because OS X doesnt support CD+G. Unmount the disc image. Close Toast. Restart Toast, select the Copy tab, choose Image File on the left, locate your image file (or drag-n-drop) then burn the image.

[rotuts]

I did the drag and drop. the question is how do I get toast to tell me the sector info?

the three CDs burned as mentioned above were from the drag and drop

thanks so far. any more ideas?

rotut

[rotuts]

I tried as you suggested.

I selected under image, toast came up with AudioCD.Sd2f 650MB CD-ROM XA total 64:28:02

I burned and that cd gave me two error messages:

Sence Key Illigal request Sence code - 0x72, 0x03
sesssion fixation error
incomplete track session


I then put this marvel into the karioke DVD and it went nuts, going at high speed though the timeings but no text.

rotut

[AntnyMD]

Whenever I get that illegal sense key thing that means the drive doesnt support burning the kind of disc you're trying to burn (in this case, a CD+G).

[rotuts]

waaa waaaaa





looks like karaoke is going to be best preformed at some one elses house

rotut

[Cornucopia]

You could always try out VirtualPC, and use the aforementioned PC software...

If the drive supports it (and I thought it did), that could allow you to burn with full R-W support.

Scott

[earwig999]

Is this still not possible on a Mac?

I've even tried Disc2Disc copies but no joy. I have Toast 6.07 and a Pioneer 108. Even tried DragonBurn but still no luck.

I heard of an app called Ktunes but I think it only plays back CD-G discs.