Is dvd Maestro able to make hardsubs?

[Bruxo]

Hi, you guys, i was wondering, it is possible to make hardsubs(is that the name for unremovable subtitles?)dvd's using dvd Maestro? I'm used to use Maestro to author dvd's, but i could not find this option... someone can help me?
Thanks a lot!!!

[guns1inger]

No. Hardsubs require re-encoding because you are changing the video itself, rather than simply overlaying.

What you may be able to do is used forced subs and use PUO (Prohibited User Operations) to lock out the subtitle button so the viewer can't turn them off.

[Bruxo]

No. Hardsubs require re-encoding because you are changing the video itself, rather than simply overlaying.

What you may be able to do is used forced subs and use PUO (Prohibited User Operations) to lock out the subtitle button so the viewer can't turn them off.

Thanks a lot, my friend, i'll try that! And, in case i need to re-encode the dvd, to make hardsubs, can you point me a soft that would do that, with a dvd already done, authored using maestro?
Thanks again!

[FulciLives]

No. Hardsubs require re-encoding because you are changing the video itself, rather than simply overlaying.

What you may be able to do is used forced subs and use PUO (Prohibited User Operations) to lock out the subtitle button so the viewer can't turn them off.

Thanks a lot, my friend, i'll try that! And, in case i need to re-encode the dvd, to make hardsubs, can you point me a soft that would do that, with a dvd already done, authored using maestro?
Thanks again!

You don't want to re-encode.

Do what the other person said.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[Bruxo]

No. Hardsubs require re-encoding because you are changing the video itself, rather than simply overlaying.

What you may be able to do is used forced subs and use PUO (Prohibited User Operations) to lock out the subtitle button so the viewer can't turn them off.

Thanks a lot, my friend, i'll try that! And, in case i need to re-encode the dvd, to make hardsubs, can you point me a soft that would do that, with a dvd already done, authored using maestro?
Thanks again!

You don't want to re-encode.

Do what the other person said.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

I'm aware that re-encode video tooks time and it's difficult for newbies, but, if this will prevent from people ripping the subtitles(something that i don't want) from some dvd's that i have to author, so be it.

[guns1inger]

Re-encoding is the only way you will stop the subs being ripped. Basically, if your concern is that someone will pirate the content of your disk at some point, don't release it.

[Bruxo]

Re-encoding is the only way you will stop the subs being ripped. Basically, if your concern is that someone will pirate the content of your disk at some point, don't release it.

It's not that simple. It is for a work that i have to do on my job, BUT, i have competitors, and, i came to the conclusion that if i could do hardsubs, it would save me from some future problems(at least a little bit). Don't worry, i'm trying some stuff, i'll learn how to do it properly, eventually. Thanks you guys.

[guns1inger]

Even with hard subs, it would take a competitor only a few hours to transcibe your subs to a format that they could use in theirs. You will waste a dozen times that effort in trying to prevent them, and still not be able to.

[SLK001]

You should do what gunslinger suggested and use Prohibited User Operations to keep the subs on all the time, then have you DVD commercially pressed and have the data encrypted with CSS. That'll keep the copiers at bay!

I can see that you enjoy tilting at windmills!

[Bruxo]

Even with hard subs, it would take a competitor only a few hours to transcibe your subs to a format that they could use in theirs. You will waste a dozen times that effort in trying to prevent them, and still not be able to.

i know that. BUT, i don't wanna give it away so easily the whole script that i have made(timing, text,etc), understand? Let they copy the text if they wan't(i can't impede this from happen, as far as i'm concerned), but they will have to the the all timing process all by themselves... as times goes by, i developed, imho, the ability to make timing, really fast and with good quality, if hardsubs will prevent those vultures from stole the whole script that i have made(text, timing, etc), so, hardsubs will be. If they can rip the timing even with the hardsubs, then, it's pointless the whole freacking hardsubing thing... it's only a measure to slow them down, cause they will try to copy everyfreackingthing that i will do, as they always do. The text would be the more important thing to protect, but since that's impossible...

[Bruxo]

You should do what gunslinger suggested and use Prohibited User Operations to keep the subs on all the time, then have you DVD commercially pressed and have the data encrypted with CSS. That'll keep the copiers at bay!

I can see that you enjoy tilting at windmills!

I'll try this suggested method, don't worry, i'm very grateful for the suggestion. BUT, i will have, also, try to learn how to make hardsubs.
Thanks a lot, my friends.

[Cornucopia]

No, I'd go back and re-encode so that the text is part of the video--like a logo/bug. PUOp's can be removed easily with DVDDecrypter, etc. Then the stuff can be ripped like anybody else's.

Steps:
Add clips to video editing app timeline, add subs (may need to be converted to acceptable format 1st) to layer above bkgd video.
Render/Export to new clip
Encode new clip and author using that clip

Note: These will not be able to be turned off! If that's ok with you and your intended audience, cool.

Steps a competitor would have to take to rip the subs:
Play the video and mark the timings of the text--may need to go frame by frame
At each text start point-transcribe from video while watching(usually takes 2-3 times realtime for avg. typist)
Combine timings and text & export to applicable format
Author/combine with some video clip (obviously other that the original)

Hope that's enough of a headstart for you!

Scott

[Bruxo]

No, I'd go back and re-encode so that the text is part of the video--like a logo/bug. PUOp's can be removed easily with DVDDecrypter, etc. Then the stuff can be ripped like anybody else's.

Steps:
Add clips to video editing app timeline, add subs (may need to be converted to acceptable format 1st) to layer above bkgd video.
Render/Export to new clip
Encode new clip and author using that clip

Note: These will not be able to be turned off! If that's ok with you and your intended audience, cool.

Steps a competitor would have to take to rip the subs:
Play the video and mark the timings of the text--may need to go frame by frame
At each text start point-transcribe from video while watching(usually takes 2-3 times realtime for avg. typist)
Combine timings and text & export to applicable format
Author/combine with some video clip (obviously other that the original)

Hope that's enough of a headstart for you!

Scott

YEAH, thanks a lot, my friend!

[skeg64]

The latest versions of subrip can extract the text and timing from "hard-subbed" files. I think you are wasting your time.

To answer your question though, in dvd maestro you can double-click the individual subs and check the "forced" box (its called something like that). This way you don't have to use PUOs.

[Bruxo]

The latest versions of subrip can extract the text and timing from "hard-subbed" files. I think you are wasting your time.

To answer your question though, in dvd maestro you can double-click the individual subs and check the "forced" box (its called something like that). This way you don't have to use PUOs.

Are you sure that the latest Sub rip versions can rip even hardsubs? This is kinda weird... i've used the latest Sub rip, and i could not rip the hardsubs that i have made(or any other hardsubbed dvd that i have), by recording my dvd authored, with the subs that i have made, hooked onto my standalone desktop DVD Recorder(a dvd player playing my dvd, hooked onto a standalone desktop DVD Recorder, recording everything... sorry you guys for the tips, but i choosed this coward lazy method), which kinda produced a dvd with hardsubs... and no matter how i've tried to rip those hardsubs, i could not. Which version of Sub Rip are you talking about? Well, don't bother to answer, it's kinda useless right now, it did worked for my purposes, those blood suckers at my work failed to copy the text of my work, at least in time. Thanks anyway.

[aktee]

I don't recommend it. But I will answer the question ^^.

but hm, sorry, all my answers needs Avisynth (My best friend, hehe).


Assuming that you already have the .SRT (or anything else that VobSub accepts)
First you will need VSFilter.dll. You can get it by installing VobSub.

The avisynth script goes like this.

LoadPlugin("D:\Path to DirectVobSub\VSFilter.DLL")
AviSource("[....]")
TextSub("D:\Path to the Subtitle\Hello.SRT")
ConvertTo[....]

Avisource, put the video path there.
ConvertTo.. RGB24 => TMPGENC, YUY2 => CCE, YV12 => QUENC.

Save it as an AVS file.
Open the AVS with a media player.
If it's okay, encode it.

[skeg64]

Are you sure that the latest Sub rip versions can rip even hardsubs?

Yes. http://zuggy.wz.cz/guides/video.htm

I've used it once. It's not as straightforward as ripping separate subpics, but anyone with enough time could get the subs out perfectly.

[aguillon]

Skeg64, honestly, I've dabbled using Subrip latest version (1.30 beta 6 at the time if memory serves) to rip hardsubbed subs off a movie, and imho it s an absolute nightmare, particularly when backgrounds keep changing while subtitles are being displayed. I opened the VOB files with DVD2AVI and used the AVS script as an input to Subrip to get maximum image quality (rather than re-encoding to AVI first.

It did work, but the work was slow going and fraught with OCR problems. In the end, I settled for typing the subs up, and doing manual synching using Subtitle Workshop - it was faster than working with Subrip in that instance.

[skeg64]

I had problems at first too, but I found that if you experiment with the colour settings and get good outlines around the subs, spend a while setting it up, it can be very effective.
It's definitely faster than re-timing it yourself.