Put me out of VirtualDub Frameserve to CCE hell!

[GoldNKid]

I've spent the last six days beating my head against the wall trying to figure out the guide http://www.vcdhelp.com/avitovcdfoolproofusingcce/. My problem is that I cannot get VD to Frameserve to CCE for anything. I'm using Windows XP, VirtualDub v1.47 and CCE 2.5.

Everytime I go to frameserve and open the dummy file CCE crashes. This happens in VDR mode, Proxy avi mode, and the other mode will not work on my system either. I'm fairly certain VD is working properly as I can successfully serve to TMPGEnc but TMPGEnc is dreadfully slow and produces inferior results. It takes 12 hours to produce an inferior video file that only takes 2 hours in CCE.

I tried to reenconde my movie (set in widescreen) to 480*480 Virtual Dub screwed my audio track all up. I thought I'd just bepass the frameserver portion of the guide, resize it manually, and then proceeed with the SCVD encode in CCE. No dice.

Can anyone help me out? Is there another way to frameserve this movie to CCE that works under XP (I suspect XP is the culprit). I've looked at AVISynth but it looks horribly complex. Maybe someone knows of a guide around that?

I'm dying here. I have a stockpile of DivX movies that I could just convert to VCD but the quality of SVCD is so much better. Why doesn't someone just write an app that does DivX to SVCD - we could all use that. (Rhetorical question).

Alternatively, is there any way for me to buy hardware and get this done more efficiently? I was thinking of getting a video card with Svideo out and running it all back through a Dazzle II. Any thoughts on that? What a pain in the ass. I'd rather make the frameserver solution work or come up with another way to resize prior to hitting CCE. Any help will be gratefully accepted.

Thanks!

GoldNKid

[GoldNKid]

I forgot to mention that I've tried all the compatibility modes. Nothing helped.

GK

[VCDsMakeMoney]

From your words I guess that you want to convert your divx movies to svcd.Now again I may get everything wrong here buy why dont you just do everything the standard way and forget the frameserv thing.I may be wrong again on all this but if that's what you want to do.

PS.I have no idea what the hell you were talking about except that you wanted to convert your divx to SVCD.

none of this will help you,i know.

[Jeomite]

I think I have the answer to your solution.
Prior to frameserving, in VirtualDub, for your audio source, instead of AVI Audio, change it to WAV Audio. CCE is known to have "crashing" problems related to audio. It doesn't matter what you select for the WAV, you're not to supposed to encode audio with CCE anyways, it's buggy. Use TMPGEnc ( with TooLame ) to encode the part and the multiplex it with bbMPEG. =)

[Truman]

Well, Avisynth is pretty easy to use.
Let's say you have a divx file that you want to frameserve to cce.
Install Avisynth 1.05 as explained in the readme (copy the .dll to winnt\system32 dir and run install.reg).
Open notepad, type

AVISource("c:\..path..\divx.avi")

Save as filename.avs add the .avs to the cce list.
That is easy, isn't it?
Avisynth comes with a bunch of great filters. Visit http://www.videotools.net to learn how to use it.

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[Stinky]

I'm just learning to use CCE right now - I would suggest you also read the Doom9 tutorial at http://www.doom9.org/mpg/cce.htm

also you can't and shouldn't do the audio in CCE - just do the audio in TMPGEnc with tooLAME

I'm doing a DVD rip (I have a PAL DVD and NTSC Player) so I'm making an SVCD --- doing DVD2AVI into VirtualDub and Frameserving to CCE

as for converting DivX files to SVCD I usually do a CQ_VBR MPEG-2 (xSVCD) in TMPGEnc without any problem (only if it's a HQ DivX - if it's not then I just do VCD) - I'm only using CCE because my source is DVD ... TMPGEnc is slower but maybe just cue them up over night - it's slower but easier and more reliable

[homerpez]

My preference?

Assuming it is DivX to CCE:

AVI: Split audio track and video track using V-Dub. This is all I would use it for. Use "Save WAV" for audio, and "Save AVI" for video only (make sure "no audio" is selected). End results should be perfectly in synch.

Then, make audio into a true, uncompressed WAV (optional).

Open the AVI in TMPGEnc, and WAV audio for sound.

Now, use TMPGEnc to resize, filter, source range your movie.

Encode AUDIO ONLY with TMPGEnc, and save VIDEO ONLY as a .tpr project file.

Use VFAPI converter, to make your TMPGEnc project file into a "fake" AVI file. Takes milliseconds to complete.

Now, opening it in CCE is no trouble, just "ADD" the AVI! Resized, ready to go. Just amke sure to disable audio encoding in CCE. It really is bad news.

[waldok]

Hi,

I am in the same state as GLodNkid, and I can tell you guys I've tried everything and couldn't get the damn frameserving to work with CCE (works like a charm with TmpgEnc though).
I read all the guides, installed, uninstalled, everything. And neither avisynth, nor Adobe premiere Videoserver nor Virtual Dub vdr framserving worked with CCE.
It's just about crash, crash, and crash.
And I'm using Windows 2000 (not even XP)
Are you guys all using Win98 to have CCE work ?

Strangest thing is that I use DVD2Svcd software for other purposes and, in the middle of the process, it frameserves to CCE without any problem.
But I can't see all the intermediary steps is uses to do so...I just noticed it seems to open and close CCE project 2 or 3 times before starting frameserving..
The AVS script file looks OK to me, but when I try to use one directly with CCE, I get a...guess what...CRASH !

I'd eternally thank some successful Win2000 or XP user for step by step explanations on how to proceed cause none of the "foolproof" guides I've used so far seem to work for me.

THanks

Waldok

[kimpan]

yep, I agree, I have the same problems.
a step by step guide that works would be so great..

[holistic]

http://www.vcdhelp.com/tmpgencsvcd.htm

The answer to your "RETORICAL" question



The making of (S)vcd is an Exercise in Futility since most Mpeg4(DivX) are compressed over 80% of the original. Unless done with 2pass VBR (and most are not) you are wasting your time. (x)vcd would be a better choice


<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: holistic on 2001-11-26 03:45:32 ]</font>

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On 2001-11-26 03:16:30, waldok wrote:
Hi,

I am in the same state as GLodNkid, and I can tell you guys I've tried everything and couldn't get the damn frameserving to work with CCE (works like a charm with TmpgEnc though).
I read all the guides, installed, uninstalled, everything. And neither avisynth, nor Adobe premiere Videoserver nor Virtual Dub vdr framserving worked with CCE.
It's just about crash, crash, and crash.
And I'm using Windows 2000 (not even XP)
Are you guys all using Win98 to have CCE work ?

Strangest thing is that I use DVD2Svcd software for other purposes and, in the middle of the process, it frameserves to CCE without any problem.
But I can't see all the intermediary steps is uses to do so...I just noticed it seems to open and close CCE project 2 or 3 times before starting frameserving..
The AVS script file looks OK to me, but when I try to use one directly with CCE, I get a...guess what...CRASH !

I'd eternally thank some successful Win2000 or XP user for step by step explanations on how to proceed cause none of the "foolproof" guides I've used so far seem to work for me.

THanks

Waldok
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Same for me, BUT I did get the *.avs file to work, I just had to add "ResampleAudio(44100)" (eventhough I didn't have any audio in my *.avi file!).

Hope it helps - ForeverDuke.

[Stinky]

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On 2001-11-25 18:42:09, homerpez wrote:

Now, use TMPGEnc to resize, filter, source range your movie.

Encode AUDIO ONLY with TMPGEnc, and save VIDEO ONLY as a .tpr project file.

Use VFAPI converter, to make your TMPGEnc project file into a "fake" AVI file. Takes milliseconds to complete.

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homerpez help a brother out - I can't get a .tpr converted fake AVI to open in TMPGEnc --- are there any tricks? I keep getting error messages

email me if you could so I dont have to keep up with this thread - I'd email you but your email isnt in your profile

[fitte]

Hi,

maybe this guide will help you out:

http://www.davetech.org/virtualdub_procedures.htm#Frameserving

I´ve tried this several times and it worked perfectly!

[shochan]

Stinky get the vfapi converter from http://www.dvd-digest.com its somewhere in there. it will convert the tpr for you.

[homerpez]

Stinky...

If I'm to understand, you have a .tpr project file, you converted it into a "fake" avi, and now you're trying to open it with TMPGEnc again? Why?

If you still have the .tpr, open that!

Another problem could be if ANY of the files involved were moved, copied, messed with, EVER. I would save all the files involved in your encode (source video, project file, fake AVI file), all in the same directory. It acts unpredictably if you mess with ANY of these files.

Hope this helps...

BTW: remember the VFAPI converter mentioned above... but you know that...

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[Stinky]

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On 2001-11-26 19:42:13, homerpez wrote:
Stinky...

If I'm to understand, you have a .tpr project file, you converted it into a "fake" avi, and now you're trying to open it with TMPGEnc again? Why?
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No no no I'm staying with the topic I converted a .tpr to fake avi with VFAPI and I'm trying to open it in CCE 2.5

no files were moved or anything - it just won't open in CCE

I'm somewhat of a converting veteran - I've got frameserving to work from VirtualDub to all the encoders I use (Panasonic, CCE, TMPGEnc) but this is the firt time I've tried to frameserve from TMPGEnc into CCE - and it just didnt work ...

the setup is DVD2AVI project opened in TMPGEnc saved as a TMPGEnc project and converted with VFAPI


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[hence]

Just so all you WINDOWS XP users know.. Virtual Dub 1.4.7 has problems frameserving in Winxp... check out digital digest's forum as well for numerous other accounts. Basically, you can fameserve with virtual dub, however, you will find that any .avi files will start misbehaving.. ie.. you can't delete them or move them or copy them as a message will say cannot (move/delete/copy) file as it is being used by another person or process.. it doesn't matter if you restart or not. I couldn't figure out why this was happening so I figured it must be something to do with converting movies.. so I went into the auxsetup of virtualdub and tried to uninstall the handlers.. it said I couldn't because one of the *.dll's was in use.. even after a restart.. the only way I could fix it was to go into safe mode, run auxsetup.exe, and uninstall the handlers.. then my avi files worked properly. Just a heads up for you all as I was VERY frustrated.

Hence

[GoldNKid]

To sum up on my end I took Jeomite's advice and loaded a dummy .wav file (chimes.wav actually) and CCE immediately took to the .vdr file and frameserving hasn't been a problem since. I might also mention that I replaced the framserve .dlls with the ones that came with NanoDub as they seemed to be newer than VD 1.4.7s. Thanks!

GoldNKid

P.S. I've created a new step by step guide that is much more detailed than (but based upon) VCDHelp's DivX to SVCD guide. However, due to frequent screenshots it takes up quite a bit of space to distribute via .pdf as intended. If you forum guys are reading this contact me and I'll happily provide the guide.

[homerpez]

It seems that frameserving is indeed impossible using V-Dub and XP combo. I just tried it with CCE and it crashed it instantly (following instructions to the letter).

This stinks because I have a "problem" AVI file which will NOT encode right usnig CCE directly, nor frameserving via the TMPGEnc/VFAPI route. Many other files with the same specs work! Frameserve with V-Dub was my last hope...