What is the fastest & best encoder for frameserving

[Nokiamania]

I use Virtualdub to frameserve VOB or AVI files with subtitles.

I then use TMPGENC to convert them to VCD format, the quality is excellet but it takes too long. For Example: an 700 MB AVI will take 3-4 hours to finish.

When I try CCE to encode to VCD format, it is faster than TMPGENC, it use only half the time as compare to that of TMPGENC. However, I am not satisfied with the VCD output of CCE. Is there any option that I need to change to improve the VCD quality output for CCE?

Is there any other encoder out there that is fast and produces great VCD output from a frameserving source?

Please share your experiences, any advice will be greatly appreciated.

[BJ_M]

tmpgenc is prob the best for VCD , use avisynth to speed it up a bit --

[Nokiamania]

tmpgenc is prob the best for VCD , use avisynth to speed it up a bit --

ok... can you refer any guide available here that teaches how to frameserve using avisynth with subtitles?

I've searched the forum but unluckily can't find one. I know avisynth more difficult to use since you need to write some scripts.

any advice will be greatly appreciated.


And also there are a lot of options there in CCE, is there any options there that i can change to improve the quality of VCD output?

[guns1inger]

CCE's low bitrate encoding isn't the greatest. And with VCD have very few options to tweak because it is CBR 1150. You could try the HCenc encoder, It is free, and apparently has pretty good low bitrate quality.

Can I ask - why VCD ? You never get better than average VHS quality out of it, and DVD burners and media are so cheap.

[Baldrick]

use ffdshow or vsfilter to add the subs and you wont have to frameserve, https://www.videohelp.com/guides.php?guideid=262&howtoselect=5;20#262

[spiderlegs]

I have a broader question about encoding speed I might as well put in here.

I have several encoding packages I can use, we sort of either bought or downloaded alot of the tools mentioned in the tools section of this site. But, being a newbie, I've overwhelmed myself with possibilities, I think.

Have any of the encoders been through any kind of time trials where you took, say, an XVID AVI and converted it to VCD (for example) and then measured how fast each encoder took to encode the file?

If I have an avi of something I may only watch once, I usually burn it to a vcd in case I want to toss it or give it to someone else because I have no use for it. In most cases, a certain amount of diminished quality is OK. Because it's so simple, I've used Procoder the most, but it pretty much does it 1:Realtime. It's actually doing it .81:realtime on the file I'm converting right this minute. I have the basic freeware version of TMPGEnc, I have Premiere Pro 1.5 using the Main Concept encoder, and several downloadsVD2VCD, Videoenc, Nuenc, VirtualDub, Rempeg...you see where I'm going with that.

I'm home sick, so I have plenty of time to take your average Divx, MP4, Xvid, WMV and maybe quicktime, and see how long it takes each encoder to encode the same file. But I'd wager I'm not the first person to think about doing this and I wondered if the last guy who did this posted his findings anywhere. I did a halfassed search of the sidebar tutorials and didn't find anything. ANybody know?

[guns1inger]

For most people the issue is quality before speed, so for the most part the encoder comparisons have concentrated in this area. Again, for raw speed, CCE or Mainconcept would be the front runners, however for quality in VCD encoding I would probably favour tmpgenc, even though it is slower. There are other factors involved that add to the equation, including any filters applied, either within the encoder (a'la tmpgenc) or by frameserving, any resizing that needs to be done, audio conversion etc. It is rare, in either VCD or DVD encoding from avi, that it is as simple "load file/press go".

By all means, do a comparison. Just make sure you set out some very clear ground rules and assumptions, and run within those lines. I have so long since given up on the VCD format. DVD is cheap, and for a quick conversion tools like DivxtoDVD can convert an avi to DVD as fast as you can create VCDs, and at better quality. I can get a 90 minute avi in under an hour on my aging beast. As far as what I need, VCD is pretty much a dead format.

[spiderlegs]

Cool, then I'll be taking suggestions of what sorts of files people think are fairly common.

I'll check out divxtodvd. That's one I don't have.

[guns1inger]

1. Divx/Xvid with VBR MP3 audio. VBR MP3 is the bain of most encoders lives. Sync problems are generally the result, requiring a demux step before hand.

2. WMV

3. MOV

[edDV]

Here are some somewhat dated benchmarks to get you started.

http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/intelamdcpuroundupvideo/

[Nokiamania]

use ffdshow or vsfilter to add the subs and you wont have to frameserve, https://www.videohelp.com/guides.php?guideid=262&howtoselect=5;20#262

Is vsfilter the same as vobsub? Because I had encountered some problems when using vobsub with tmpgenc. Some of the subtitles just disappear.