New Windows XP 64 and software compatibility

[perdomot]

I was wondering if I should upgrade to the new OS but am concerned that my usual programs for vid work won't work on the new OS. I've been using:
DVD Shrink
Virtualdub
TMPGEnc
DVD2AVI
DVD Decrypter
Has anyone upgraded and tried using this software? Thanks.

[waheed]

Not upgraded but i have heard that Windows XP 64 requires 64 bit drivers for your hardware.

[neomaine]

That's correct on the drivers. Also, I believe that any 16bit apps are out the 'window' as well. (Though, 32bit apps will be run just as 16bit apps are run on 2000/XP.)

[redwudz]

I've ran all those programs excepting DVD2AVI, which I haven't used on X64 with no problems. The big problem can be finding device drivers. Most of them are still beta (At least with my MB). You should check with your motherboard manufacturer to see what they have available.

[leebo]

redwudz, I read in PC Magazine that AMD 64's and Itainiums do not take advantage og the 64bit OS. What cpu are you using?

[redwudz]

leebo, I believe it has been discussed on this site that at least the AMD64 is not a 'true' 64bit processor. I'm not much worrying about that, it works well for me. I think it will be a while longer before many of the programs we use often and discuss on this site will take advantage of the 64bit processors. But, I can wait. At least until 128bit processors come out.

I have a AMD Athlon 64 3200+ CPU, Socket 939, Winchester core, 90nm features.

[guns1inger]

The AMD is a true 64 bit processor, but unlike the intels it also supports 32 bit natively instead of through emulation. Both will get some benefit from the 64 bit implementation of windows, but only for OS level work. Applications also need to be rewritten for 64 bit processors before you see any application level benefit. Otherwise they will run as if on a 32 bit CPU (or slower, in intel's case). Because dual-core will become the staple on the desktop before 64 bit CPUs do, at least in Intel's case, there is little incentive at this time for developers to rush in and recode for 64 bit. The stuff that will be done first will be applications that usually run on high-end workstations, as this is the market (along with servers) that intel will target with 64 bit. Everything else will be dual core 32 bit instead.

[edDV]

I've ran all those programs excepting DVD2AVI, which I haven't used on X64 with no problems. The big problem can be finding device drivers. Most of them are still beta (At least with my MB). You should check with your motherboard manufacturer to see what they have available.

Have you seen any advantage to 64bit OS for any current application?

I can think of tons of potential problems with a 64bit transition. The usual suggestion is to select applications that address your interests and then select an OS and hardware to support those apps. Currently I see no 64 bit applications that run better on Windows. If you are doing high end image filtering or 3D rendering, just use a UNIX processor on your network.

[redwudz]

EdDV, no noticeable advantage so far as I can tell. However, I was running the beta OS then. I just got the regular XP64 version and I really haven't had time to work with it. I also need to optimize the motherboard settings and reload all my video programs.

I do appreciate the the CPU runs a lot cooler than my former XP2500 Barton and it at least runs faster than it. Shrink transcoding times are better, but it's a different MB, Memory, SATA drives, etc. A lot to work on to get it the way I want it.

Is there a list of 64bit programs that are available out there? (That don't cost more than my car? ) I guess I should do some Google searching. I really want to be impressed, hope to anyway.

EDIT: Found this compatibility list for 64bit CPUs: http://www.3dvelocity.com/articles/win64compatibility/win64nativesoftlist.htm

[celtic_druid]

DVD Shrink is only available as 32bit
Virtualdub is available as 64bit
TMPGEnc is only 32bit
DVD2AVI is still I think only 32bit, however there is a 64bit version of dgdecode which together with a 64bit version of AVISynth allows you to feed to a 64bit encoder.
DVD Decrypter is 32bit, but then there wouldn't be any performance boost from a 64bit version as the DVDRom is the bottleneck.

As said 32bit apps still run, but what is the point of that? If on the other hand you can get your entire process chain running 64bit then you may get a 20% or more performance boost from the same hardware.

[BJ_M]

DVD Decrypter I have had problems with running on winXP64 , several burning apps don't work, and only a limited number of antivirus (avast is 64 bit and works perfect though).

pretty well everything else runs.. only a limited amount of true 64bit apps out now ..

http://www.planetamd64.com/ is THE site for winXP64 , and MS runs a really good winXP64 newsgroup on the MS news server

[BJ_M]

btw, the ATI HDTV Wonder, Avermedia AverTVHD MCE A180, and Hauppauge WinTV PVR 250MCE do not have 64 bit drivers and dont work in completly or at all in winXP64

Avermedia says it will have 64bit drivers soon ..

Also, Linksys and DLink have no 64bit drivers for any of their wireless products. Nor have anounced any .. so you can not use them ..

[BJ_M]

Native 64 bit applications short list:


CloneDVD
Virtualdub 64
Avisynth 64
Avast 64
.NET 64
Filedisk 64
O&O defrag 64
DAEMON TOOLS 64 BIT
WinRar64
Firefox x64
64 bit IE
64XViD
64Huffyuv
dgdecode
DiVX beta 64
FarCry64 (game)
Chronicles of Riddick
Shadow ops
Red Mercury
CINEMA 4D
Sandra 2005
SQL server 2005
panorama factory
Calkwalk 64 preview
Sonar x64
Avid Softimage
BEA Systems
Tiny Firewall 64(very good)
Orca 64 bit
Doom3 64
Many Autodesk products - now and in beta
WindowBlinds
Maya 64bit (may be in beta only)


BMC, Citrix Systems, CommVault, Computer Associates, DHI Water & Environment, EMC, Ericom, IBM, McAfee, NewTek, Oracle, PTC, Symantec, Trend Micro, Unigraphics Software, Veritas Software, and Valve Software all have 64 bit versions of many of thier applications, some in beta testing now, some released.

Nero 6.6 runs fine , but uses mostly 32 bit code ..