Don't pick this bad "Apple"

[stiltman]

Basically, Apple screws over the open-source community AGAIN

http://news.com.com/Open-source+divorce+for+Apples+Safari/2100-1032_3-5703819.html?tag=nefd.top

[guns1inger]

More evil than Microsoft, just so small that no-one cares.

[Sabro]

Ouch! :/

Sabro

[Nilfennasion]

As long as corporate fraud and corporate theft continue to go largely unpunished, we will have larger companies screwing over smaller ones. Apple has been learning the MickeySoft way of doing things since the 1980s, so this is hardly a surprise. What is surprising is that Apple would screw over the open-source community in favour of maintaining their dependence on Mickeysoft.

[Tidy]

As long as corporate fraud and corporate theft continue to go largely unpunished, we will have larger companies screwing over smaller ones. Apple has been learning the MickeySoft way of doing things since the 1980s, so this is hardly a surprise. What is surprising is that Apple would screw over the open-source community in favour of maintaining their dependence on Mickeysoft.

I don't see how Apple could shed their dependance on Mickeysoft when if it weren't for them a few years back there would be NO apple computer today. Anyone notice the curious presence of Apple icons in Win XP?

[Nilfennasion]

Any company shedding a dependence on Mickeysoft will take five to ten years, and that isn't counting Mickeysoft sabotaging such efforts. It would have to be done in tiers, much like moving infrastructure from overhead to underground wiring. Of course, it isn't impossible to do, but nobody in their right mind would try it with an eight hundred pound gorilla like Mickeysoft basically jumping in and writing off their investment. Unless it is another eight hundred pound gorilla like Sony?

[Tidy]

Any company shedding a dependence on Mickeysoft will take five to ten years, and that isn't counting Mickeysoft sabotaging such efforts. It would have to be done in tiers, much like moving infrastructure from overhead to underground wiring. Of course, it isn't impossible to do, but nobody in their right mind would try it with an eight hundred pound gorilla like Mickeysoft basically jumping in and writing off their investment. Unless it is another eight hundred pound gorilla like Sony?

Yeah and that is not even taking into account the Microsoft bailed them out with BILLIONS of dollars.

[Nilfennasion]

So?

Microsoft drops tens of millions of dollars every month at present with the X-Box, and last I heard, their forays into markets other than software have been a big failure. Hell, the Dreamcast ran on Windoze CE, and look how well that went.

To bail out any company to preserve a vague visage that the market has not been monopolised, or to reach the small percentage of hobbyists who have no exposure to Microsoftian practises, is far more productive to the company than is saving a few billion dollars. It's that simple.

[dnix71]

The articles seem cryptic about what the real issue is.

Maybe the open source folks want to put functionality into the browser that would allow defeating drm, or just having the code open would allow someone to quickly write a hack for any drm.

Apple probably wants a browser as docile as IE and the open source community isn't going to settle for cripple-ware.

I'm still on dialup and use FireFox instead of Camino or Safari on a Panther eMac in part because FF allows me to download and save some things instead of streaming them (rtsp and pick the app, or ftp directly with downthemall.) Quicktime sux on a Mac almost as bad as a pc, too. I had to take the QT plugin out of FF in order to force it to stop trying to stream every file whose type it thought it owned. I even deleted iTunes completely because it was ill behaved.

If Apple had their way you would be stuck with QT and iTunes just like you're stuck with WMP and IE in Windows.

The users agent switch in FF comes in handy too. Faking off being a pc with XP and IE6 gets me in places I otherwise couldn't, and allows me to check a site for malware. If they think I'm running Win32, the hack will fail and I'll know to steer clear. I don't think Apple would appreciate it's browser telling the world it's a pc

[miksu]

Just pick good Micro$oft branded apples, er, applications. IE+M$ uses tweaked version on every web standard and has proprietary ActiveX, which is one of the biggest reasons for peope having spam server even without knowing it.

It obviously depends, non standard M$ is good, Apple, that at least tries to stick to standards, is bad. :/

Remember M$ Kerberos? They got caught, as their implementation was "we could make products (other than M$) work worse, if tweak API and tell no-one, how it's been tweaked".