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  1. Can someone explain that to me... I thought someone in the movie said all the apes on earth were dead cause the rainforests were cleared... except for those research apes... help.
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  2. Well i know in the recent movie if you noticed when he first came to the planet he went through like 3 flashes. WHen he was trying to return. He only went through one. I havent seen the old one so i dont know if that is the one you are talking about or not. But that is why it happend in the recent one.
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  3. Well I have seen all the planet of the ape's movies,except the New POS CRAPFEST that was recently created.See what happened is that when he went into space,he didnt land on a "new" planet,he landed on earth.Yup,EARTH.He was gone so long that once he thought that the trip was succesful and landed on a new planet,it was really earth.That's why there is a Subway,and ofcourse the Statue Of Liberty.Damn,I wanna see the movie now.
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  4. Dont you love when people DONT read the topic of the post.. he's not talking about the original POA, he clearly states on Tim Burton's 2001 POA...and thus since you havent seen it, then you it is nothing at all like or relates to the original...

    Buzz: Yes, this is what was said in the movie...however IMO, when Marky Mark went through EM disturbance, he did not end up on earth, but on another planet similar to earth,...therefore I when he went back through the same EM disturbance...he was thrown into that same planet's future, NOT earth's...and also remember, the "mothership"/Calima was still on the planet when he left...Im sure all of earth's history was in a database, which might also explain why it looked so similar when he landed...plus given that you never seen Thane die, he just was locked behind that sheild, he might have figured a way out somehow.

    <font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Kdiddy on 2001-12-02 02:58:24 ]</font>

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  5. Hey,people make mistakes,jerk.
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  6. Maybe he was trying to keep in some sort of the pace with the original story line of the book by that french dude...umm..Perre J..(something) when in his story when you read the first chapter you think it's humans hanging out in a space ship reading the journal of Taylor's S.O.S message but actually @the end of the book you find that it's apes reading the message saying that this must be a joke cause Human's can talk or write..

    that's just my take on it though.

    David
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  7. According to burton he wanted to leave a thinky bit at the end, just like the original had. However he didn't seem to think it through enough. It's definately not earth for reasons just mentioned, but it can't be a future planet cause it's too similar to earth. Their was a lot of dissapointment at the ending for these reasons, spend a few days thinking it thru and it still doesn't make sense. I suppose it's some parralel universe theory thing.
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  8. How can that be the future of the same planet he landed on? When he went thru the storm didn't his clock go ahead into the future? like from the year 2100 to 2600... then when he returned it went back I think, so the apes would be even more primitive in the past... ow, my brain hurts
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  9. those stupid movie makers didnt think fo there ending hard enough...
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  10. and to that I say...your watch has never been wrong??? remember he went through an EM field...EM fields play serious havoc on electrical instruments, as it did when the mothership picked up its own transmitted signal through the storm.....

    My friend is of the opinion that Thane escaped the mothership...somehow was able to fix the pod that was at the bottom of the lake (he says from spending to much time locked in the mothership, so he did what any normal person in jail does, exercise & read..LOL) or found another pod...launched himself off the planet, went through the EM field..but the EM field sent him back into Earth's past further than it sent Marky Mark, to that he says is why the apes back on earth looked diffeent than the ones on the new planet..he thinks Marky Mark landed in about the 60-70s....remember, Marky Mark arrived at the new planet well BEFORE his train monkey did...even though his train monkey went through the EM field before Mark Mark did....hmmm
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    My friend is of the opinion that Thane escaped the mothership...somehow was able to fix the pod that was at the bottom of the lake (he says from spending to much time locked in the mothership, so he did what any normal person in jail does, exercise & read..LOL) or found another pod...launched himself off the planet, went through the EM field..but the EM field sent him back into Earth's past further than it sent Marky Mark, to that he says is why the apes back on earth looked diffeent than the ones on the new planet..he thinks Marky Mark landed in about the 60-70s....remember, Marky Mark arrived at the new planet well BEFORE his train monkey did...even though his train monkey went through the EM field before Mark Mark did....hmmm
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    I am with your friend on this matter: I think Wahlberg's character returned to Earth and saw the consequences of Thade's tampering with Earth's history. Thade and others must have found a way to return to Earth before Wahlberg. Probably sometime in latter part of 20th century. That's why everything is of "todays" technology. It is too coincidental that there is a whitehouse, an Abe Lincoln type statue etc.
    Of course, what are the chances that Wahlberg crash landed in the USA, and Washington DC ?? Very contrived.

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  12. I also think the point of the EM field was that it sent you to a random time, I thought there was a whole lost in space thing going, mark got sent back, mothership got sent back futher... though I could be wrong besides, it couldn't be earth in the present, cause if that was the case then they wouldn't have had humans on the mothership in the future so mark couldn't have got sent back... The paradox of it all
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  13. Remember the original movie? After Charlton Heston emancipates himself, he's riding horseback along the beach and sees what's left of the Statue of Liberty sticking out of the sand. He freaks, the story is left open-ended for the sequel, roll credits.

    This time around, after Mark Wahlberg emancipates himself, he crash-lands in Washington DC and stumbles across the Bubbles Memorial. He freaks, the story is left open-ended for the franchise, roll credits.

    Plot consistency is irrelevant; they intend to make sequel after sequel until it's as played out as Batman, Aliens or Rocky.
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  14. Why the hell did he leave the girl anyway?
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    "This time around, after Mark Wahlberg emancipates himself, he crash-lands in Washington DC and stumbles across the Bubbles Memorial. He freaks, the story is left open-ended for the franchise, roll credits. "

    Well Guess I won't be seeing the movie KoalaBear just gave away the ending. Thanks for ruining the movie.
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  16. Tommy, you speak with great wisdom!
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    Well Guess I won't be seeing the movie KoalaBear just gave away the ending. Thanks for ruining the movie.

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    Considering this thread's title is inquiring about the end of the new POTA movie, it is highly likely the ending will be discussed.
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  18. Well... nobody's mentioned a parallel universe yet.

    It seems to me that the guy returned back to his own time, yet in a different universe. If it wasn't another universe, then he wouldn't exist... right? Grin.

    Overall, I lost the movie right after he blew the engines on the spacecraft... everything after that was totally unbelievable to this viewer.

    The APE planet was definately not earth - there were at least two moons visible in one scene... (unless multiple moons are possible in another parallel universe?)

    But it is wide open for another version!

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    Well, I can't resist putting in my two cents:

    Shabubu I think is closest to the truth: They didn't think it through enough. Otherwise, the rest of us are simply too stupid to understand it.

    I saw the film at the theater, then rented the DVD and listened to some of the commentary. My first impression is that Burton can't complete a thought. Just listen to him. He starts to explain something, then, in the middle of a sentence, goes off in another direction. Give this guy some Ritalin please!

    He claims the ending made sense to him and he dosen't understand all the confusion. He states he did it that way in case Fox wants to make sequels.

    Here's my problem: three ships land on the planet, but in the opposite order of when they go through the storm. Mother ship goes last, but lands thousands of years b4 the others. Monkey goes first, but lands only days after Mark.

    How does a pod, designed only for short excursions, make it all the way to Earth at the end (computer confirms its Earth, remember?).

    If the apes hate man so much, why do they make everything exactly as man had done (at the ending)?

    I also can't buy the therory that Thade learned from his time in the mothership and went to earth to change it's history. He goes from living in clay shelters to flying through space? They learn advanced mathematics, physics, etc., skip the part about learning to fly planes first, testing space flight, whatever, and go straight to conquering Earth?

    Anyway, the memorial statue had a plaque that said something about Thade saving the apes.


    BTW, KoalaBear forgot to mention that Thade was the only one (besides Heston) who knew that man had once been masters of the apes, and that Marky and Helena have a thing going on in the film. Oh, and everyone on the mothership dies.


    My guess as to the reason why Marky left the blonde bitch is that she didn't really care about him. Her only interest was because she saw that Helena wanted him. That, he could get at home! Remember, he didn't even do her when he had the chance.
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  20. I thought he was an idiot for leaving estella, till I remembered that bloody channel advert she did!!!!
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  21. The ending to the original book was rather close to what was in the recent movie. Leave it open for sequels. The planet he's on isn't earth, for the reasons given already (distance, two moons, etc.)
    At some point, we can assume that Thade gets out, and steals the other pod (which the other humans must retrieve), and escapes, probably to the distant past of the planet, where he begins to set up shop with the more primitive apes, which are his ancestors. Maybe, just maybe, he is able to bring the culture he was used to to the primitives, much like Ash in Army of Darkness, until years later, perhaps in the very same time MArky was before, the tech level has risen exponentially.
    Another possibility is, that when Thade leaves and goes time-hopping, he encounters the mother ship, still waiting for Marky, forces them to take him to earth, where he learns about their ways, the better to fight them with. Then he goes back home to implement his new plans.
    And, on the subject of Alternate realities, whenever time travel happens, alternate realities happen. All of this is taking place in different dimensions. Just remember, "The Universe HATES anomolies!" That's why alternate realities are created. Damage control.
    Remember, the normal apes started evolving when Time-Displaced Super Monkeys (sounds like a comic book title, doesn't it?) boinked them. So, Time Displaced Thade boinking Time displaced, or even past, monkeys would stick a red hot poker in the evolutionary ass of said monkeys. To the extent that they'd make washington DC (District of Chimps) and maybe even elect George Dubya Bushmonkey.
    Temporal mechanics are fun!
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  22. I am reading all these posts about how either Thade or Marky Mark control exactly what time period they want to travel to. Maybe I wasn't paying enough attention, but we are not talking about Back To The Future here. The pod is short travel exploratory vehicle, not a time machine. It's not like any of the character have any control over what time period they end up in. IMO, the movie has less to do with sci-fi than the human aspects of things (How evil human society is and how the monkeys mimic the humans). Because of that, the stories seem to have a lot of holes whereas other sci fi movie worlds have a much tighter story (aka Matrix, Star Trek). Add to that, the ending really sucked making ppl question the movie even more.
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  23. Ok guys, here's the deal. I just got the DVD and it has this little card in it that kinda explains the travel between the "Electromagnetic Storm". One side of the storm is "Earth time/space" and the other side is "Planet of the Apes time/space". First the monkey goes through in "Alpha Pod", then Wahlberg in "Delta Pod", then the ship "Oberon". Oberon goes the furthest back (thousands of yrs b4 Wahlberg), the Wahlberg, then the monkey. This we already know. Now next it says that Wahlberg leaves in "Alpha Pod". Then is says word for word "Is it possible someone or something left the Ape Planet in Delta Pod after Leo?" (which is Wahlberg). Then it says "Leo returns to Earth". Lastly, "Is it possible someone or something Arrives on Earth many years before Leo?" So the planet of the apes is not Earth but the planet at the end of the movie is Earth. Apparently Thane (I think thats his name) does get in the other pod and change the history of the Earth. Keep in mind I haven't put the DVD in yet so I haven't heard the commentary. This is all from a card that comes in the DVD box. Just thought u guys should know about this and it answered a lot of questions I've had about the ending for months.

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  24. I think the "order is reversed" theory about entering the EM storm is in no doubt. All that's required is parrallel timeline theory to be invoked.
    Now- who wants to discuss Tomb Raider?
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    If only they had passed out pamphlets at the theater explaining the movie! Wait, but then I woulden't have had to pay $9 to see it in the first place!

    Thade, a guy who before this could only ride horses and swing a sword, pulls the pod out of the pond, repairs the damage caused by the crash (after first learning how to create the materials needed - wire, etc.) flys to Earth and changes history? Guess he must've been pretty pissed at Marky to give up his home world just so he could ruin Markys!

    Remind me not to get on his bad side!!!

    mijman, can you sell me any of that stuff you're taking?
    Must be nice to be able to fill in gaps with sh** that dosen't exist.

    What are your ideas on the Kennedy assination?
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  26. Actually, it IS nice to "fill in gaps with shit that doesn't exist." It's called creative license, and IMAGINATION, something which seems to be in short supply here. All I've heard since that stupid movie came out is crying from people who need everything spelled out for them in LARGE LETTERS and short words. Even when you have a movie that explains everything, there are still people who can't figure it out (Tomb Raider), because it's not written at the level of a POKEMON episode. Use your heads for something other than a hat rack!
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    Even when you have a movie that explains everything, there are still people who can't figure it out (Tomb Raider), because it's not written at the level of a POKEMON episode. Use your heads for something other than a hat rack!

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    I was j/k LOL. We all understand TR - it's all about Lara's bouncies and running around walls on a bungee rope.
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    On 2001-12-04 14:26:46, mijman wrote:
    Actually, it IS nice to "fill in gaps with shit that doesn't exist." It's called creative license, and IMAGINATION, something which seems to be in short supply here. All I've heard since that stupid movie came out is crying from people who need everything spelled out for them in LARGE LETTERS and short words. Even when you have a movie that explains everything, there are still people who can't figure it out (Tomb Raider), because it's not written at the level of a POKEMON episode. Use your heads for something other than a hat rack!

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    There's creative license and there's acid trip. I also hate the movies that spell out stuff, but It still doesn't make sense. I liked the flick though so I'm not complaining.
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  29. Maybe I can add a clearer view about the movie plot.
    (Oh and I am stating this from memory so bare with me)…
    Remember? When Mark Wahlberg was in the Mothership, post crash, before the battle scene. He played a video message, SOS or something that showed what happened before the crash, and it stated that one of the monkeys, Leo? (More than one monkey) took over the ship (or something to that effect)…

    Without going in to and overboard about different dimensions and parallel universes, I assume that the mother ship "Oberon” was an experimental ship, and that these monkeys/apes where being experimented on. >>Remember, the normal apes started evolving when Time-Displaced Super Monkeys arrived.


    >> First the monkey goes through in "Alpha Pod", then Wahlberg in "Delta Pod", then the ship "Oberon". Oberon goes the furthest back (thousands of yrs b4 Wahlberg), then Wahlberg, and then the monkey, but Leo must have took over the mother ship and escaped to Earth.

    I have go to see that movie again, but I think the clue is during that video message. The ending just showed that the apes changed history in their image.
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  30. Man, your memory is GOD awful..LOL, remind me to never let you testify in court on my behalf....

    Not Leo (thats an overrated actor)...Seymous is the ape that caused the revolution AFTER the Oberon had crashed onto the new planet already. They crashed because they decided to go into the EM storm in search of Marky Mark. The recording also states how well and helpful the apes were at first. Then Seymous got the "big head/dick" about himself and took over..started killing the humans....personally, lock me in cage & make me a test subject I prolly will do the same once I got out, LOL....This is why the apes worship Seymous as their god.

    However, I tend to believe that it may have been quite EASY for Thade to fly a pod. Remember, all that the other monkey had to do was repeat a pattern that he was train to do in order fly it....Im sure Thade with his advanced mind could figure out how to start one & fly out of the Oberon....They may not seemed very evolve, but that is somewhat by choice, remember, they despise humans AND our technology, for as C. Heston put it, it is the humans technology that makes them evil (paraphrased)...we don't know how many pods were possibly still intact in the ship..its reasonably safe to assume none, since there is no mention of any humans using one to go back through the EM storm, but again IT IS THE MOVIES.

    So Im sure its possible having spent time in the Oberon, the command center no less, he could be able to poke around some buttons, pull up the same tape message or parts there of what Marky Mark saw, and take 2+2, to determine how the Oberon got there....decided, well since these "hew-mons" brought us here, I gonna go "home" to see this Earth, and prolly did not like what he saw, and voila history is a changed...which of course that gets us to the old temporal chicken or the egg arguement of...if Thade went back & changed time, how is it possible that Oberon ever existed in the first place...or is it a simply a matter of maybe an alter Marky Mark in the "new" history was a lost test subject, and this Marky mark comes back to this new Earth??...hmmm
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