New version of DVD shrink

[bushbaby1979]

Hi, I was wondering if anyone knew if they were ever going to come out with a new version of DVD shrink that takes off the new sony copy protection? I use to use dvd shrink for backing up all my movies but I have been disappointed lately because of the new protection. Now I am forced to use AnyDVd, which is O.K. but not as fast as DVD shrink would be.
I used to just shrink and burn in less than an hour. Now I use Nero and it take twice as long.

[jimmalenko]

I've always advocated using DVDDecrypter to rip to HDD then load that into DVDShrink (many different reasons / advantages IMO), and I know DVDDecrypter's newer versions remove the protection, so ..... maybe this is something you could look at ?

[bushbaby1979]

I also use DVD dycrypter but I have the same problem. I it doesn't always take off the new protection. It also takes longer because I use DVD decrypter to rip then I use DvD shrink to shrink, then nero to burn. My favorit is dvd shrink 2.3 but I also use the newest version when I don't want to take off any extras.

[jimmalenko]

AFAIK DVDShrink 3.1 onwards is quicker to transcode than 2.3, and also includes options such as output to ISO and AEC, just to mention a few benefits. I've always found DVDDecrypter to rip faster than DVDShrink (when doing a no compression rip to the HDD), and then also DVDShrink seems to transcode faster off the HDD than off the disc when there is compression. Have you got the latest DVDDecrypter ?

[bushbaby1979]

For some reason DVD shrink takes about 20 seconds to anylyze my DVD. While 3.1 takes a little bit longer. DVD decrypter takes a very long time to rip.

[budz]

DVD decrypter takes a very long time to rip.

Perhaps your dvdrom or dvd burner is ripped locked at 2x speed which is why it takes so long to rip. It would be helpful to fill in your computer specs in your profile that way it would be easier to help you. You may also want to check if your dvdrom/dvd burner is in DMA MODE, if it is in PIO MODE ripping will be slow. As already mentioned it is better to rip with DECRYPTER to your hard drive then open up DVD SHRINK to compress then use NERO to burn.

[lacywest]

I use AnyDVD 4.5.8.1 ... with CloneDVD2 2.7.51 to do my ripping.

With CloneDVD2 ... I can omit the Trailers and other crap.

If I see there is a lot of stuff to wade through ... like the Incredibles ... I ripped it to my HD with
DeCrypter first. Then I used CloneDVD2

[nova828]

One great program that no one ever seem to talk about is DVD43 Its just like AnyDVD, as it runs in the background and decrypts on the fly. The latest version even removes the new Sony protection. I found that DVD shrink rips almost twice as fast with DVD43 running in the background and using DVD Decrypter to burn. I have yet to have a single problem disc using this method.

[proxyx99]

I don't know what to think about numerous problems with DVDShrink backup process. Some say it's a "new" protection scheme. I don't think so. Some discs use simply different disc architecture and dummy files that are supposed to fool backup tools. The idea is to exploit bugs in these tools to make copy process as difficult as it can be. Example: 1 movie always stumbled at the same spot in one of the extra files (dummy clip with black screen and few silly pictures, yes, they do that), Recode was looping the file until it crashed. CloneDVD had no problem whatsover. DVD2One as well, no problem. Since there's no support for Shrink and no updates be prepared that there will be more and more discs containing material too difficult for Shrink to handle.

[Sabro]

More then likely the future development of DVDShrink will cease to exist simply because the author has been hired by the company that makes Nero to work on some of their software.

If they (Nero) was smart, then upon hiring him he prolly had to sign some type of do not compete agreement, and that is why no recent versions of Shrink have been released.

Glad to see the guy make a good solid living from his hobby, but I hate to see an excellent product go stale because of it...

Sabro

[proxyx99]

Obviously he chose money like every mentaly stable person... Shrink was made to get him the job.

[guns1inger]

DVD Decrypter has just been updated to better handle these structure protection systems. Grab the latest version (only a day or so old) now and you should be OK.

As for Shrink, the last release came while the author was working for ahead on Recode, so don't count it out. But don't expect frequent changes either.

[nelson133]

I've timed this out on both of my video systems and dvd decrypter to dvdshrink is faster than dvdshrink alone. Since I have startd using vob blocker, using dvd decrypter to vob blanker to dvd shrink is all I do.
Nyah Levi

[Zisguy1]

Obviously he chose money like every mentaly stable person... Shrink was made to get him the job.

That's a dumb thing to say... some people choose to make money doing different things, and keep software writing as a hobby. It has nothing to do with mental stability. Writing software for money is work, and usually no fun at all, while doing it as a hobby can be a lot of fun.

[MackemX]

I'd go with DVDDecrypter also as it's regularly updated for the newer DVD's if they have issues. ANYDVD is also updated but costs $'s but even so it's still worth it if you like working direct 8)

Obviously he chose money like every mentaly stable person... Shrink was made to get him the job.

that's complete rubbish IMO . Why would he have needed Nero anyway? He could have made £100,000's if he had went it alone. Selling it would have been simple enough as it wouldn't have even needed to be marketed. All he had would have had to do was take out the decryption and the program would have been as legal as all the rest. Something like DVD43 could have been used instead and developed instead. He'd have probably made more going alone than what Nero paid/are paying him

his choice I suppose for whatever reasons but if I had something that was worth the $'s DVDShrink was in it's early days then I would have went the commercial route. The temptation of fast cars, sexy women and all the latest gizmos would be to much to resist

some may say money isn't everything and a few freeware supporters may be offended but being free isn't always the best answer. Surely most developers cannot 'afford' to put continuous endless hours into a project unless they don't have bills to pay and haven't got a social life :P. I also reckon the program would have been even better as DVDShrink could have made it his living and put even more hours of development into it to kick ass completely. He would also probably be still developing it now . People wouldn't even bother with the other programs as DVDShrink would have beat them in even more areas. Oh well, maybe in the next life

yeah, a hobby is a hobby but if I my hobby could potentially make £100,000's then I'd enjoy that hobby even more as I wouldn't have to work in a 9-5 job!. You may think I'm talking shite but I know that a few developers who make £1,000's a week from far inferior programs

[proxyx99]

Zisguy1, MackemX your thoughts are not only just pure speculation but also written from an amateur point of view. The fact and a matter is he IS doing what he's doing at Nero/Ahead Software and not catering to your needs for free as you would like. Developing and supporting the application as a hobby was obviously not as appealing to him as you might think. Keep in mind that he dropped it at the peak of "market" interest which is typical to an underaking aiming at money from a getgo. Just wonder how did you come up with this atruistic/idealistick pile of rubbish. I can only fault your lack of experience. The simple fact of him beeing at Nero has already proven you both wrong.

[hech54]

My thoughts exactly Proxyx99.
People who bash FREE software are total DICKHEADS !

[MackemX]

developing and supporting wasn't an appealing hobby to him? Why did he spend endless hours developing DVDShrink in the first place before Nero even approached him?

I found it strange at the time he went to Nero instead of developing his own software like many developers have. He would have had more than enough support from numerous guys in the forums and he could have even sub contracted parts of the coding

I'm saying he had one of the best things in the DVD backup world and he chose the freeware route until Nero came in and probably waved money in front of his nose. I'd contacted Shrink a few times as I wanted to help add the stripping capabilities into DVDShrink but hit a brick wall for certain reasons and one was that he was already at Nero

I guess 'my lack of experience' comes from what I've seen/heard behind the scenes along with my time selling DVDStripper and it's not pretty . It's a dog eat dog world I can tell you. I think you got me wrong as I don't want him to cater for my needs for free as I'm not a freeware maniac . I believe if something is worth selling for a reasonable price then a coder should be rewarded for his efforts. He definitely shouldn't be expected to work for free or rely on donations to keep up his interests if it's a demanding project. Why the hell should a coder be treated different to a normal 9-5 working person?, surely you wouldn't go to your own job and work for free.

That's what caused WW3 at Doom9 late 2003 as I used 2 freeware programs with DVDStripper but had the 'cheek' to ask for money for ours as the developmen/support time was demanding. The best thing about all that shite is that I only ever refunded once (well twice but the guy bought it again) and nobody really ever complained about the price. I just don't understand the issue with freeware diehards as what's the big deal with selling software as long as the users are happy?. Open source is a different thing though I accept that as the program can be developed by any coder

Those who have an idea how big the DVD backup software market will agree how great the potential was for DVDShrink to grow and develop into the market leader. That's probably why Nero came and took control and spoilt a good thing!. Most coders would probably agree that if they had went alone and were selling DVDShrink a while ago time they could possibly be sitting in the sun on a yacht with sexy women all around or at least have plenty of spare cash 8)

maybe he used open source code somewhere in his program so selling it wasn't an option. Maybe he already worked for Nero or maybe he didn't want to lose respect with his peers for selling out. Whatever reason it was I wish I was in his shoes at the time as I would have aimed to be the best and include as many features as possible

if you don't believe me that DVDShrink would have sold well then just look at how DVDCloner II is popping up everywhere in Google (and wherever else) and is always one of the best programs in any lists. It's because the seller gets 30% of the cost which is currently $60 so that's $20 per sale. They have probably made £1,000's as there are plenty of people willing to pay $60 due to lack of research/knowledge/experience/time etc. It blatantly uses DVDShrink for whatever reasons but hides it . People still occasionally buy DVDStripper using links from wherever. It's been freeware for over a year and they are grateful when I refund them and tell them it's free

but then again, maybe I know nothing and it's just an atruistic/idealistick pile of rubbish 8)

and regardless of what anyone thinks, I love the DVDShrink program and respect the guy greatly for his contribution to the DVD backup world 8)

[proxyx99]

Natural order of things is that free usually evolves into shareware and then payware. Thousends of examples out there. No one can expect the guy to stay awake at night so that someone else can at 0 cost enjoy the fruits of his work. It is normal to try to translate your work into dollars. No blame here. We may never find out why but the fact is beyond discussion. You ask why did he spend hrs writing software? It is not enough that you say you can do it. Your product is the best business card. Btw. Nero was a perfect candidate. Unlike 123 Studios they had wider scope of business that incorporated disc backup tool. Free is good, but expecting free for life is damn greedy and selfish. The guy has left some legacy and moved on. Good for him.

[Heff]

You know it would have help if you put a question mark after your title. You have 1300 people clicking on this thread thinking there's a new version of DVD Shrink out.