Dvd ripguard by macrovision

[johns0]

Check out the latest anti-dvd ripping scheme-
http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.aspx?NewsId=11680

[waheed]

If i can be viewed, it can be copied.

Ripguard

they cannot use any new encyption methods as it needs to be playable in all current dvd players and pcs. hence, whatever method is used, sooner or later, it will be bypassed.

[lifesajrny]

If man made it, man will copy (back up) it!

[chas0039]

This could work as normal players read at 1X. If they can slow ripping to 1X as well it would be compatible with current players and would slow copying to a snail's pace. I'm glad I already own most of the good films and this won't pertain to current pressings.

[solarfox]

Slowing the rip speed to 1X levels might frustrate the guys who are out there trying to rip their way through NetFlix's entire inventory at the rate of eighty DVD's a month, sure, but it's not going to stop the guy who just wants to run backups of one or two movies at a time so his kids don't wreck the originals or get bombarded with fifteen minutes of ads for Disney's next batch of soulless direct-to-video "sequels"...

Frankly, I'm smelling another Emperor's New Clothes product here... My guess is that this "Ripguard" either doesn't actually work as advertised, or only works with a carefully-selected subset of ripping software out there. (The fact that MV claims it's proven effective doesn't, by itself, mean anything, without knowing which version(s) of what software(s) it was tested against.) Nonetheless, it's a great little scam for them to run: they'll make a ton of money selling a half-baked solution to a desperate and paranoid industry, and then when the system is broken in six months (assuming it ever worked at all) they'll just blame those "eeeeeeevil hackers" and roll out the next half-baked solution which, of course, their now-even-more desperate and paranoid customers will lap up hoping that "well, maybe this magic bullet will actually work."

[ViRaL1]

Unauthorised DVD ripping leads directly to exponential distribution and downloading on the P2P networks and a substantial revenue loss for the video industry.

Kind of like gun sales lead directly to murders? After all, it's not like people would actually buy a gun unless they intended to murder someone; just like people just rip movies to share them with the world online.

[spiderman2k1]

I think ANYDVD it will not work on as ANYDVD boots up when your Pc is turned on.

[Nilfennasion]

As Marc Singer says during V: The Final Battle, anything can be duplicated. It is only a matter of time before the programming routines that slow rip speeds down are sussed and defeated.

[johns0]

This could work as normal players read at 1X. If they can slow ripping to 1X as well it would be compatible with current players and would slow copying to a snail's pace. I'm glad I already own most of the good films and this won't pertain to current pressings.

That would kinda defeat ff and rewind mode.

[chas0039]

This could work as normal players read at 1X. If they can slow ripping to 1X as well it would be compatible with current players and would slow copying to a snail's pace. I'm glad I already own most of the good films and this won't pertain to current pressings.

That would kinda defeat ff and rewind mode.

I can think of 3 ways that would not be a problem. We will just have to wait and see what they do. I am not going to worry about a future technology that will only impact new DVDs, if at all.

[Skoorb]

Sounds like a joke to me, but I admit I'm not one of the people who work with software like dvd decryptor. However, given that this has to be backward compatible to hardware made more than half a decade ago, I would be absolutely shocked if this is more than a mild speedbump for software like dvd decryptor and the like.

Even if it manages to do anything meaningful for a while, it would have to slow down ripping BIG TIME to be "futile", as it calls it. Even at 1X it wouldn't take more than a few hours to rip a disc to one's harddrive, so one could set that up while they sleep, or go to work, or when they get home from work, etc. This seems like a waste of time, but if macrovision gets money for it it won't be a waste to them.

Or, it would simply change how people rip. Most now use dvddecryptor, put it on their HD, and shrink it. With Anydvd, mentioned above, they'd just skip the rip to HD step, and shrink right from disk. So, now instead of a 20 min rip, then a 2 hour shrink, you've just basically got a three hour shrink (ripping at 1X, for example) as it pulls from the disk.

[Tidy]

Seems to me that if there are drives that are physically capable of reading at faster speeds there will always be firmware that removes the restrictions. This does not sound much different than the existing rip speed locks that come on all drives these days and can be overcome with RPC hacked firmware. To be honest this does not worry me one single bit. Macrovision thought their anti-copy distorted video thingee would stop copies. It did nothing and what is even better is that if you use DVD Decrypter it will strip the macrovision protection on the fly with minimal effect on extraction time.

Seems to me the best way to stop copyright infringement is to sell the darned movies at a reasonable price. Of course they have not tried that yet.

[painkiller]

I get the distinct impression that the overall industry is pushing to speed up the introduction of HD-DVD/Blu-Ray formats in order to start the conversion process away from the DVD.

By them forcing copy protection schemes into the hardware for the next gen hdtv systems, they would easily curb the 'piracy problem' by moving away from the DVD formats as fast as they can.

[dougwx]

This all seems so silly for companies to spend so damn much money to protect a $15 DVD. With the price of set-top DVD recorders approaching $100 it would be very easy using a set-top recorder and one of the various copy guard removers (sima, and others) to copy the content in real time to a DVD without a computer. What's the big deal.

[stackner]

i belive in one simple thing. "if it can be made it can b UNmade"

[Gurm]

I would LOVE to know how this works without either mangling the disc or making it non-compliant.

Macrovision's other digital protections (for CD's) all involve software wrapping or intentional disc errors or oddly encoded tracks. This won't fly for DVD's... so I'd love to know how they intend to make this work.

If I were a DVD company executive, I'd be pretty skeptical of this. But the guys running those companies are SO desperate for ANYTHING that will offer even a SHRED of hope of "protecting" their discs.

I'm with everyone else - if the discs were $5 or $10, nobody _I_ know would pirate them.

[Skoorb]

I'm with everyone else - if the discs were $5 or $10, nobody _I_ know would pirate them.

Some still would though, and it's no good stopping piracy of overall profit goes down. The majority of people don't pirate, and pay $15 to watch some piece of crap that barely deserves being watched once. Also, can you imagine how much block buster and others would be pissed if a person could buy a movie for $5-10? Then they can't continue to charge insane prices.

[Sillyname]

As Marc Singer says during V: The Final Battle, anything can be duplicated. It is only a matter of time before the programming routines that slow rip speeds down are sussed and defeated.

Dude! You just quoted "V"! Are you feeling okay?

[Nilfennasion]

I feel fine.

V was a cool show. It had wonderful characters, a really inspired story, and a great message that was delivered without being too sappy. The Final Battle was, as one character would say, ill-conceived, but it still had some great quotable quotes.

[Sillyname]

I feel fine.

V was a cool show. It had wonderful characters, a really inspired story, and a great message that was delivered without being too sappy. The Final Battle was, as one character would say, ill-conceived, but it still had some great quotable quotes.

I liked the sound the guns made. Kinda a swishing noise.

Hey! Who do you think would win in a knife fight?

The Beastmaster or Riddick?

Remember Riddick didn't have any ferrets!

[handyguy]

You could always just point a camcorder at your computer lcd screen.

[overclockxp]

You could always just point a camcorder at your computer lcd screen.

That will be prevented also. Only the human eye will be able to see the movie. Anything else would just see lines.

[Nilfennasion]

I've not seen The Beastmaster, but at least Marc can act.

It doesn't matter whether this or that device can capture the video output, either. Once one person manages to defeat the copy protection, copies will be distributed everywhere.

[Gurm]

Bingo!

I daresay that it's 50/50 right now whether most pirates rent/copy/return or download/burn. The download/burn people won't be affected - the pirate groups will still hack this and release films, even if they have to rip them at 1x.

But I still have seen NO indication of the technology behind this, or whether it is even technologically feasible. Sounds like smoke & mirrors to me.

[Cunhambebe]

If man made it, man will copy (back up) it!

-I do agree with that statement.

[rezsbc]

Perhaps this works by putting program chains on the disc that are not in the navigation structure and deliberately contain crc errors??

Therefore if you play the dvd it works fine as it never reads the bad sectors, but if you try and rip the whole thing your pc gets stuck when it gets to the frucked up bit.

Does that sound possible? Just theorizing here of course...if it was the case I'm sure rippers would get around it in a hurry...fast error skip etc...

[Marvingj]

Just as they think of ways to enhanced Marcovision, Pirates think of new ways to rip them off even more. All they are doing is still hurting the little man, from making his traditional Back-Up DVD.........

[Gurm]

Perhaps this works by putting program chains on the disc that are not in the navigation structure and deliberately contain crc errors??

Therefore if you play the dvd it works fine as it never reads the bad sectors, but if you try and rip the whole thing your pc gets stuck when it gets to the frucked up bit.

Does that sound possible? Just theorizing here of course...if it was the case I'm sure rippers would get around it in a hurry...fast error skip etc...

Good idea - you've just invented Arccos!

No, seriously that is what Arccos does.

[rezsbc]

thank you I'll just send an email off to Sony and claim my royalties now!!!

;)

[flip69]

Spiderman,
What does your posting mean? The sentence makes no sense.