Internet Explorer 7.0

[Shocker Milwaukee]

http://reuters.myway.com/article/20050215/2005-02-15T173402Z_01_N155834_RTRIDST_0_NEWS...ROWSER-DC.html

In a speech at a major security conference here, Gates said Internet Explorer 7.0, with new anti-spyware features, will be released for preliminary testing this summer.

[waheed]

It aint making me switch from mozilla firefox

[pepegot1]

Hope you can turn off the stuff you don't want and that it does not require SP2. However, with Microsoft it's their way or the highway, the latter of which would be more desirable.

[NightWing]

Sounds like Longhorn or XP SP2 ONLY!

[ViRaL1]

What's so wrong with SP2?

[vitualis]

It doesn't like being installed on Windows with pirated keys...

Regards.

[ViRaL1]

Man, that's gotta suck. Pretty sad since you can get an OEM version very cheap these days. But I guess you can't put a price on pop-ups and spyware.

[lordsmurf]

It doesn't like being installed on Windows with pirated keys...

Regards.

Or the fact that it screws up lots of hardware/software.

[ViRaL1]

Still? I know there was some issues where apps / drivers needed updates before installing it, but how much stuff is still incompatible with SP2? I've done several clean XP w/SP2 installs lately and I haven't run across any issues. Granted, this is before putting on any legacy / custom apps. But if SP2 is the de facto standard, should we blame M$ or the hardware / software vendors for not bringing things up to date after three quarters?

[Blazey]

It doesn't like being installed on Windows with pirated keys...

Regards.

Or the fact that it screws up lots of hardware/software.

Amen brother! Phtotshop no longer recognized any TWAIN drivers after SP2. Fortunately, HP has a patch so it recognizes my scanner again.

[ViRaL1]

Anybody remember Window$ NT 4.0 Service Pack 6? (Not 6a).

[BJ_M]

wasnt that the one that wrecked everything and was a major disaster ?

[ViRaL1]

Yep, hence SP6a. They've gotten a bit better.

[victoriabears]

I apologise ahead of time, I have a relatively new pc, have th following loaded all the time:- (Have 3 computers on a Microsoft broadband routing)

winpatrol
avg anti-virus
spybot

run windows xp with all the updates, use mozilla firefox, as yes it does stop more crap, although for me its main advatnage is that I can download covers from cdcover.cc without having to re-load nine million times.

Use Nero with all the updates, power producer gold to capture from an advc300 firewire, use tmpg products to edit author enciode, sometimes procoder express.

Have lg dvd burners, use philips dvd+R blanks set to dvd-rom bit setting.
Other dvd-r, like khypermedia, and also have a NEC burner which seems to tolerate media lg doesn't.

Never have any problems, what stuff have you guys got loaded/installed which causes all this conflict/crashes.

I'd suggest getting all the aforementioned fre software and I also run Adaware regulary and registry mechanic and defrag my hard drives about once amonth.

Not tooting my horn, but I gotta tell you I know a guy he is the head honcho in a major hospitals computer department, and his PC is unusable virtually due to the coontrols he doesn't use.

[BJ_M]

victoriabears, a LOT of programs were not compatable with SP2 , some still are not and most others have been fixed ..

[NightWing]

No problems with SP2. Built up a Slipstream copy of XP and SP2when it came out. Install with that. Most OEM now have it incorprated so it already to go when you install the OS.

One big problem was with system with certain peices of spyware, etc. Load SP2 on it and trainwreck!

On clean systems no real problems. PS reconized my old scanner with no problems.

[DereX888]

No problems with SP2 either, since I dont have it
Win2K SP4 does everything faster and better They'd have to kill me first before I let any WinXP to be installed on my comps...

My lowest uptime right now:

[ViRaL1]

No problems with SP2 either, since I dont have it
Win2K SP4 does everything faster and better They'd have to kill me first before I let any WinXP to be installed on my comps...

My lowest uptime right now:

I hope you don't get any spyware. It's a BITCH to get rid of in 2000. Not sure why 98, ME and XP all have MSCONFIG, but 2000 doesn't.

[crusty]

I haven,t used IE for a long time now and hopefully will never have to again.. Firefox rox!

[RLT69]

I hope you don't get any spyware. It's a BITCH to get rid of in 2000. Not sure why 98, ME and XP all have MSCONFIG, but 2000 doesn't. noexpression.gif

There's a wonderful program called SpyBot, it works beautifully. I would also recommend using RegCleaner. You can also download MSCONFIG for Win 2000 http://www.perfectdrivers.com/howto/msconfig.html.

As far as blame is concerned, it falls squarely on MS shoulders. It's kind of hard to modify your software if the developer is not notified of the changes that any MS service pack implements. I know we weren't notified.

[ViRaL1]

I regularly use SpyBot and AdAware on pretty much any machine that comes into the shop. Neither one will catch everything, not even a combination of the two.

[proxyx99]

If CNET published not long ago a SP2 uninstall guide then there has to be some substance to it. I'm running SP1 and do not plan to upgrade, why? Do I really need trouble of patching all indiv. programs after major MS patch. How many patches is enough? Who has the time to chase all your stuff's SP2 related issues and updates. When you install, do you need to thoroughly check all your programs functionality before you start using your PC again (to know it was SP2 related). What if you do not check and it comes up 2 months from now? Where will you start, with SP2 or else... Well, just trying to illustrate that on existing working system it is quite stupid to jump into the fire especially if the news is well documented that there ARE isuues with SP2. Not worth the hassle. Those who regularly reformat and don't mind it at all may play with SP2 as much as they want to but I'd rather wait for its fixed version.

[Nilfennasion]

I began the long, slow, painful process of migrating away from MS Windoze early this year. Every so often, I time myself to see how long I can cope without running Windoze to do something. I'm getting better and better at it, and once I master apps like WINE, who knows...

Microsoft claiming their browser will include special features to eliminate spyware is a joke. There would not be such things as spyware, adware, or trojan spam relays if it were not for Mickeysoft's laughable idea of security.

[Colindale]

once I master apps like WINE, who knows... ????

I'm using Fedora core 3. that's the only thing left for me to get working!!

If you work it out let me know.


Firefox in Linux and Windoze

[mats.hogberg]

On clean systems no real problems.

OK, but that is really not what a SP is for, is it? Isn't it meant to fix stuff that was broken in the install I have?

/Mats

[DereX888]

No problems with SP2 either, since I dont have it
Win2K SP4 does everything faster and better They'd have to kill me first before I let any WinXP to be installed on my comps...

My lowest uptime right now:

I hope you don't get any spyware. It's a BITCH to get rid of in 2000. Not sure why 98, ME and XP all have MSCONFIG, but 2000 doesn't.

Why would I get any spyware? Because I run Win2K? ROTFL! That statement would be the most uninformed statement I ever heard about win2K
You can set it all whats available in MSCONFIG (and more) without MSCONFIG
And you can always just drop msconfig.exe into your /system32 directory (copy it from other windoze - XP preferred) and use it as well if you must... it will bitch about missing dlls (for system restore app - if u use msconfig from winXP or winME) but it'll run with no problem

Right-click on your "My Computer" icon (in winXP or win2K or win2K3) and select "Manage". You get more options than "msconfig" was ever able to provide...

[DereX888]

I hope you don't get any spyware. It's a BITCH to get rid of in 2000. Not sure why 98, ME and XP all have MSCONFIG, but 2000 doesn't. noexpression.gif

There's a wonderful program called SpyBot, it works beautifully. I would also recommend using RegCleaner. You can also download MSCONFIG for Win 2000 http://www.perfectdrivers.com/howto/msconfig.html.

As far as blame is concerned, it falls squarely on MS shoulders. It's kind of hard to modify your software if the developer is not notified of the changes that any MS service pack implements. I know we weren't notified.

AS I wrote earlier - getting spyware or lack of them on Win2K is totally unrelated to MSCONFIG. Its always the stupid, uneducated or just careless user who allow any spyware or viruses to be installed on their system.
I didnt use any antivirus software until end of last year, when my company required that any user's windows-based computer entering the labs (like my laptop) must have it (i know, its stupid regulation lol...)
Believe it or not: I didnt get any virus since december 2000 (thats when i bought this laptop and installed win2k pro corporate edition on it). Why? Because Im not stupid, thats all :P


SpyBot is still great.
Lavasoft's AdAware is a sell out since 2003 unfortunately But it was great when it came out...

[Gillies]

ahhhh... it makes me smile a bit to read all about ppls issues with windows while i enjoy a spyware and trouble free experience on my new ibook. after using windows for the last 11 years, im glad i made the switch. however i still have a windows desktop which gives me grief on a daily basis, but at least i can walk away from it and use my mac

[DereX888]

ahhhh... it makes me smile a bit to read all about ppls issues with windows while i enjoy a spyware and trouble free experience on my new ibook. after using windows for the last 11 years, im glad i made the switch. however i still have a windows desktop which gives me grief on a daily basis, but at least i can walk away from it and use my mac

Well, its normal with any products that almost no one uses
Had Mac or Linux reached 90% of desktop market while windows dropped to 3% (as Macs are), you would have read here about mac and *nix bugs and viruses only, while you would seldom heard of any windows bugs...

[Nilfennasion]

I hear that defense of Windoze (ie "there's so much spyware/adware on it because it is popular"), and I am here to tell you it is a load of bollocks. The internet is a multi-vendor environment. It was conceived as such, and will remain such long after Microsoft alienates everyone in the market. UNIX was used on the Internet long before the vast majority of Windoze users ever even heard of the Internet.

No. The real reason Windows gets so much malicious code aimed at it is the same reason as to why CSS was so easily cracked. CSS offered a 30-bit encryption in an age where secure Internet connections were using 64-bit or better. It presented such a tempting target to hackers that its breaking was utterly inevitable (funny how the MPAA never mentions this with regard to DeCSS). Windoze has exactly the same problem. If it does offer encryption or passwording, it is often based around the same XOR bitflip crap that just about every programming student in the world reinvents when he's in school.

Think about it. If Ford made cars that people could break into without using any serious tools, how long do you think they would remain in business?