Which is better, AVI or OGM?

[Cyberian v2.0]

40% of my videos are in AVI, another 40% is OGM, and the other 20% is others.

I was wondering which is better, AVI or OGM? In what way and why?

[Cobra]

AVI and OGM are both "container" formats. They allow the person who is encoding the video to choose their own video type and their own audio type. For example, an AVI may contain DivX video and MP3 sound, or DivX and AC3, or maybe 3ivx video and WAV. OGM often contains XviD video and Ogg Vorbis audio, but it is basically the same as AVI in that it can hold different formats.

[Cyberian v2.0]

So the base video is DivX.

Which sound format is the best?

[redwudz]

Ogg Vorbis is probably one of the most efficient audio formats for size and quality, but AC3 is more universal, then probably MP3. This is for AVI or XVID type video.

[Cyberian v2.0]

How do I uncontain an AVI/OGM file and re-contain them after I have converted the audio file?

[junkmalle]

How do I uncontain an AVI/OGM file and re-contain them after I have converted the audio file?

https://www.videohelp.com/convert

[Cobra]

We call "uncontaining" "demuxing".

[Cyberian v2.0]

How do I uncontain an AVI/OGM file and re-contain them after I have converted the audio file?

https://www.videohelp.com/convert

The link you gave me does not tell me how to uncontain a file. I would like to contain the file myself.

[junkmalle]

How do I uncontain an AVI/OGM file and re-contain them after I have converted the audio file?

https://www.videohelp.com/convert

The link you gave me does not tell me how to uncontain a file. I would like to contain the file myself.

There are dozens of guides there for dealing with OGM and AVI files.

VirtualDubMod can read, write and convert OGM and AVI files.

[Cyberian v2.0]

How can I tell if a container is using MP3 or OGG?

I want to uncontain all my AVIs, convert the MP3 into OGG under Q0 then recontain them again.

[yoda313]

How can I tell if a container is using MP3 or OGG?

I want to uncontain all my AVIs, convert the MP3 into OGG under Q0 then recontain them again.

Hello,

Gspot.

Kevin

[Cyberian v2.0]

Thanks, Kev.

Which of the three containers are the best: AVI/OGM/MKV

I am not using it for standalone DVDs; just for PC. And don't require extremely good quality of sound. So that leaves out AVI.

Down to OGM and MKV. I want all my videos to be a single format.

I want to be able to have good quality of video. Not very demanding on sound, but they have to be well-compressed. And very flexible with subtitles.

[junkmalle]

Thanks, Kev.

Which of the three containers are the best: AVI/OGM/MKV

I am not using it for standalone DVDs; just for PC. And don't require extremely good quality of sound. So that leaves out AVI.

Down to OGM and MKV. I want all my videos to be a single format.

I want to be able to have good quality of video. Not very demanding on sound, but they have to be well-compressed. And very flexible with subtitles.

The containers don't have anything to do with the quality of the contents. Think of them like boxes. You can fill them with high quality video and audio, low quality video and audio, or a mixture of the two.

[Cyberian v2.0]

Okay, so is there a software that will allow me to uncontain the giving me 2 files, the video and the audio?

And another or the same software that will allow me to pick 2 files, the video and the audio and contain them as OGM?

[yoda313]

Hello,

virtualdubmod should.

And its DEMUX (or strip-out for shorthand ).

Kevin

[Cyberian v2.0]

Thank again, Kev.

I was only able to Demux the audio in Stream List. How do I Demux the video?

[lpn1160]

Just my 2 cents, however on my system OGM's play perfectly, never a stuter or a jump or a jerk. Even if I take the video and mp3 audio & put in an ogm shell there is some stuter. The video stream + ogg audio mux into a ogm shell is the best bet imho to go. If one also uses xvid as the video codec of choice the resultant stream is 100% open source and patent free, (I think)
programs of choice:
besweet
oggmachine
virtualdubmod
oggmuxer
oggdemuxer

As stated just my 2 cents

[junkmalle]

In VirtualDubMod you can open an AVI file, select Direct Stream Copy for both Video and Audio, select Save As..., and select the "container" you want. It will then copy the streams from the AVI file to the OGM file.

[Cyberian v2.0]

Does not work. I have tried that before. The OGM container still uses the MP3 audio.

I want my containers to be OGM and be using OGG. OGG takes up less space than MP3.

That is why I want to uncontain them. So I can convert the MP3 to OGG myself under Q0, then recontain the DivX and OGG to make OGM.

[junkmalle]

Does not work. I have tried that before. The OGM container still uses the MP3 audio.

I want my containers to be OGM and be using OGG. OGG takes up less space than MP3.

That is why I want to uncontain them. So I can convert the MP3 to OGG myself under Q0, then recontain the DivX and OGG to make OGM.

Then select Full Processing Mode for the audio, the desired codec (and parameters) for the new audio, and Save As.

[Cyberian v2.0]

I don't have the desired codec (OGG) in Stream List.

I DL'ed the one from here:
http://www.dbpoweramp.com/codec-central-ogg.htm

But it didn't show up in VDM. Can someone tell me where I can get the proper one?

[lpn1160]

heres your mistake, in virtualdubmod open your avi.
go to stream-> stream list. 1 of 2 methods can now be used. By default audio is already "direct stream copy"
Just hit the button "demux". This will save the file as mp3.
then open that mp3 in besweet and transcode to ogg.
If you wish to have a full PCM wav (for editing purposes)
right click on the stream under stream list, then change settings to "full processing mode"
the hit the button save wav. Edit file (if you need to)
save, then open in besweet and save to ogg
Next re-open the original avi go to "stream,-> stream list, highlight the mp3 audio track and click bottom button "disable". Then click the "add" button browse for your ogg. Next click on direct stream copy for your video content-> click save as and go to OGM

[junkmalle]

It may simply be that Ogg Vorbis was installed but disabled for VFW. Go to Control Panel -> Sounds and Audio Devices -> Hardware -> Audio Codecs -> Properties -> Properties -> Ogg Vorbis... -> Properties -> Use This Audio Codec.

[Cyberian v2.0]

No, I don't have OGG in the Properties list.

EDIT:

lpn1160: Your method worked. But when I saved and played it, the sync was off. Know how to fix this?

Also, how was I able to use OGG when it was not in the list in VDM?

[ckamc]

IMO just keep the video files in their original format... converting to one to another wont make a difference unless u have the dvd or mpeg2 file that is uncompressed. ogm and mkv just let you use more than one audio or subtitle source... u can only either detune the quality or throw in a lot of filters to try and do a cover up job of where a video file may be messed up

[Cyberian v2.0]

*sigh*

I guess, I will have to live with all these formats.

Each time I reformat my computer, I have to install all the codecs again. So I thought, if I only had 1 format, I will only have to install 1 codec.

[ckamc]

well just visit some site like doom9 and just grab the all in one codec pack...

[lpn1160]

Sounds like your audio is VBR mp3, extract to uncompressed PCM wav, then save as ogg. OGM is the best container when it comes to keeping audio & video in synch
I have 100's of OGM files on my system and not ONE of them are out of synch

[junkmalle]

*sigh*

I guess, I will have to live with all these formats.

Each time I reformat my computer, I have to install all the codecs again. So I thought, if I only had 1 format, I will only have to install 1 codec.

It doesn't matter what container you use, you'll still have to install all the codecs.

[celtic_druid]

ogm can contain DivX and mp3 or DivX and vorbis. AVI can only do the mp3. So if you wanted a single container then ogm would be the only option unless you wanted to convert audio. However I don't think mp3 in ogm makes much sense. You could also convert both the ogm and avi's to mkv or mp4, although once again I don't think vorbis in mp4 makes much sense, so I guess mkv.