352x480 looks bigger than 480x480 ??? What the hell o.O

[ShinKyo]

I have encoded a RMVB file with Tmpeg to CVD: 352x480 and the to SVCD: 480x480, but:
When I open both files in windows with mpc or any other player, the CVD: 352x480 looks much bigger in size than the SVCD: 480x480. And no I don't have changed any view settings in the players, all are set to default, which means the files are displayed in their original res.

But why in hell does the smaller res video looks bigger than the one with the higher res???

[yoda313]

Hello,

My guess??

Probably that 352x480 is HALFD1 resolution and thus conforms more closely to normal DVD specs.

The 480x480 can look good but is still JUST SVCD not dvd.

Kevin

[junkmalle]

settings in the players, all are set to default, which means the files are displayed in their original res

Apparently not.

Try opening them in VirtualDub which will show you the actual image sizes. Or use GSpot or AVICodec to check the image sizes.

[Shadowmistress]

What do you mean it looks bigger?
Does the 480x480 have black bars around it when you play it in your player?

Mediaplayer will shrink or stretch a movie to fit the full screen according to the resolution. It usually doesn't crop the black borders like your dvd player does.

Your 352x480 picture width stayed the same when you encoded the 480x480 because you didn't set the aspect ratio to "full screen (keep aspect ratio)". It gave you the extra space for the resolution but filled it with black and your detail has stayed the same. Mediaplayer will read this and think the picture fills the entire portion of the 480 width and show the true picture smaller.

My advice is to recode the 480x480 (the resolution is still 352x480 anyway) and this time use the filter to crop all the black around the picture. Then set aspect ratio to "full screen (keep aspect ratio)" and choose any resolution you like, depending on what cd/dvd you wish to make, so that it conforms to specifications.

[BSR]

352x480 is probably being stretched to a 4:3 aspect ratio because the player senses it's half D1, part of the DVD spec, and thats how it's suppose to look.

480x480 I do not think is part of the DVD spec so the computer just plays it at 480x480.

[ShinKyo]

@Shadowmistress
I just choosed the Video arranged mode type: Full Screen.

What are the difference between Fulll Screen, Full Screen Keep Aspect Ratio and Full Screen Keep Aspect Ratio ???
I just want to encode RMVB and watch it on TV, so what is the best to choose?


@BSR
Hmm, so only windows will display the 352x480 bigger, but the actual size or when I watch it in my dvd will be the treu 352x480?

[yoda313]

Hello,

One more wrinkle to consider:

It's probably best to choose "16:9 display" as the source aspect ratio in ADDITION to keep aspect ratio if you DON'T want FULL SCREEN

Kevin

[ShinKyo]

I want the video to be displayed full screen when I watch it with my dvd player.

[BSR]

No, you want to keep the aspect ratio. I usually use either Full Screen Keep Aspect Ratio, or Full screen keep aspect ratio 2.

Are you burning this to CD or DVD?

If DVD, then I would use 352x480. When played on your DVD player, it will be in the 4:3 aspect ratio because that's what standard TV's display.
352x480 also has higher compatibility with DVD players.

When you say 352x480 is bigger, is it out of proportion to the original?
What size is your original file?

[Shadowmistress]

Full screen: will stretch the video any way it wants. This will suck most often.

Full screen (keep aspect ratio): will stretch the width to fit the full screen, but make the height whatever it needs so that the picture doesn't change. I don't like this setting because for conversion from pal to ntsc (288 to 240) it will chop off the top and bottom to make the width fit exactly.

Full screen (keep aspect ratio 2): will absolutely not stretch and not chop the movie and will fit either the width or the height to full screen, depending on which one hits the edge first. Widescreen movies will have borders at the top and bottom of the screen on this setting, while pal to ntsc will have black borders on the sides.

No margin (keep aspect ratio): will not stretch the movie but will chop off whatever it has to to make sure there are no black borders.

[ShinKyo]

@BSR
what is the difference between Full Screen Keep Aspect Ratio and Full screen keep aspect ratio 2? What should I use???

I'm burning on DVD. And the file resolution is out of proportion to the original and to anything else! For example: I'm using 1024x768 desktop resolution, but the encoded 352x480 video covers almost the whole screen.
But I do think this is a player issue. When i right click on properties in mpc it says 352x480.

[BSR]

@BSR
what is the difference between Full Screen Keep Aspect Ratio and Full screen keep aspect ratio 2? What should I use???

See what Shadowmistress says above, you might of been typing when she posted it.

I'm burning on DVD. And the file resolution is out of proportion to the original and to anything else! For example: I'm using 1024x768 desktop resolution, but the encoded 352x480 video covers almost the whole screen.
But I do think this is a player issue. When i right click on properties in mpc it says 352x480.

In mediaplayerclassic go to "view-zoom-100%". Then it will not fill the screen and will only be 480pixels tall. It will show the actual size of the video with correct aspect ratio, or what you should expect to see on TV.

[Shadowmistress]

I was starting to wonder if I was invisible....

[ShinKyo]

Sorry Shadowmistress I didn't noticed your post when I posted mine

So after I read what Shadowmistress posted, I assume Full Screen Keep Aspect Ratio 2 is the best.

[BSR]

Good assumption, I would have to agree with you.

[ShinKyo]

Is there a way to force Tmpeg to use Full Screen Aspect Ratio 2. It's a pain in the ass to set it each time I want to encode soemthing. I tried to make a template with Full Screen Aspect Raio 2 but wen I open a new project, only Full Screen is choosed.

[Shadowmistress]

Yes there is. But first select an empty project or else every time you try to open tmpgenc it will try to access this same movie.

Set up your preferances first and go under the options tab, "set current project as default".