SKYNET on the rise :O

[DereX888]

Anyone remember Terminator movies and how the global defence initiative called "Skynet" has became an entity?

Some old news I just found:

"WASHINGTON—A consortium of 28 aerospace and IT companies unveiled an initiative on Tuesday (Sept. 28 ) aimed at developing a common networking architecture that would link military and homeland security users and a range of sensor systems to an interoperable, global network."
(http://www.informationweek.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=47903435)

hmm...

[Faustus]

damn I'd love to make a comment but it would be all to polical so I'll keep it to myself.

[Forum Troll]

Actually, Skynet started in 1969, as the ARPANet, and then evolved into its modern counterparts: the public WWW/Internet, and the US government Department of Defense networks, NIPRNet and SIPRNet.

[Cobra]

I don't think we'll see a Terminator-like uprising. The machines are not intelligent - the human brain leaves any machine standing.

[ViRaL1]

Tell that to Kasparov.

[Cobra]

Chess is a game of logic, and so a computer can handle it. It brute-force processes all the potential moves and paths that it will go down if it makes each move. A computer cannot be spontanous or act illogically like we can, and so we can easily run rings around them.

[ViRaL1]

A computer cannot be spontanous or act illogically like we can...

Run Window$ much? :P

I doubt it will happen in our lifetime, but I do believe eventually sentient non-human beings will be able to be manufactured.

[offline]

I'm part of it AARnet...

@ Cobra: you may program a computer to
simulate a player of a logical game like chess
but that does not make the computer logical.

[bazooka]

That does not make the computer logical.

:P

Thank you spock. :P

[ViRaL1]

I'm part of it AARnet...

@ Cobra: you may program a computer to
simulate a player of a logical game like chess
but that does not make the computer logical.

AARnet = Australian Association of Retired networkers?

Aren't computer's (well, processors) logical by default?

[Faustus]

Aren't computer's (well, processors) logical by default?

By default they are switches. From there we make them locical.

[offline]

I'm part of it AARnet...

@ Cobra: you may program a computer to
simulate a player of a logical game like chess
but that does not make the computer logical.

AARnet = Australian Association of Retired networkers?

Aren't computer's (well, processors) logical by default?

Computer Logic is based on Boolean Algebra (and, or, etc.) and it is possible to combine such operations into complex logical expressions which simulate logic. However computers are not "logic" in themselves.

AARnet = Australian Arseholes Running networks. :P

[DereX888]

...and you think boolean logic doesnt apply to YOU?

IF stomache=empty
THEN GO TO hunt for food
;
IF pain=yes AND location=eye THEN GOTO eyelid=blink;
etc etc

Boolean logic is just called 'instinct' for animals (and pls pls pls do not tell me youre not an animal and "God" has created you distinctly from any other bags of meat on this planet...)

[ViRaL1]

uhh...negative, I am a meat popsicle.

[offline]

...and you think boolean logic doesnt apply to YOU?

Huh? What are you talkiing about? The question was are computers
logical?

Seems you are mixed up between function and description.
You can APPLY anything to anything in terms of description
but it does not mean it functions that way.

Instinct is not a logical expression.
Biology does not run on boolean logic

@ViRaL1

No. You are merely WET WARE

[FulciLives]

Another really kewl movie with a theme similiar to TERMINATOR (at least in terms of the SkyNet uprising aspect) is the 1970 movie Colossus: The Forbin Project

I saw this on TV when I was young (probably very late 1970's or very early 1980's) and it totally creeped me out long before the first TERMINATOR movie was made.

I have never seen the movie again (for a long while it was very rare on video) but I noticed that it is now out on DVD here in the USA:

CLICK HERE FOR AMAZON.COM LINK

At only $9.99 I will be picking this up and I suggest other people interested do the same ... although I haven't seen it since I was a young kid the movie is often written about with much fondness by reviewers and film critics.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

P.S.
I just realized that the USA NTSC DVD is FULL SCREEN but there was a USA NTSC LaserDisc release that was WIDESCREEN with an aspect ratio of 2.35:1 so that makes watching this FULL SCREEN version a damn shame. So unless you MUST see the movie I would wait until a better (WS version) of the movie surfaces on DVD. Really sucks when shit like this happens!

One last thing I checked on ... the DVD is not out yet but is slated for a November 23, 2004 release so we can hope that it really will be WS and not FS and that the specs currently floated about it being FS are inaccurate.

[offline]

Colossus: The Forbin Project does not date so well imo. I have the
original film release copied to DVD from LD. It's kind of slow and
predictable which is a pity as it obviously had a big budget behind
it. There was a twilight zone episode that bettered it. If you like
megalomaniac computers, try Saturn 3 or Dark Star. Better still, read
Asimov's Multivac series (short stories)

[Cobra]

Offline - computers must be logical. They are based on mathematics. Ask a computer to generate a random number all by itself. Just to think of a number, with no prior input. It is not possible for a machine to do this. It can only achieve pseudo-random by basing the number upon previous inputs by the user.

That's the way I see it, anyway.

[offline]

with no prior input.

Nothing works with nothing without prior input, humans or computers

It is not possible for a machine to do this

Computers can generate true random numbers through thermal noise inside a semiconductor element.

[Cobra]

Fair enough.

[Vom]

damn I'd love to make a comment but it would be all to polical so I'll keep it to myself.

If you're talking about Arnold Schwarzenegger's squeaky-wheelery of late, I'm with ya. Those crazy Austrians are always up to something.