sticky query

[bigmac]

if putting labels on a dvd makes them freeze or jump then has anyone tried putting the sticky on first then burning the dvd? if so any luck?

[iooi]

And just how does that make any diffrence ???
The problem seems to be how heat builds up and causes the glue to lose its properties.

[freestyler]

imbalance issues as well

[bigmac]

And just how does that make any diffrence ???
The problem seems to be how heat builds up and causes the glue to lose its properties.

i thought that if you burned after applying sticky that it would not effect the imbalance . maybe?? or am i barking up the wrong tree?

[bigmac]

And just how does that make any diffrence ???
The problem seems to be how heat builds up and causes the glue to lose its properties.

i thought that if you burned after applying sticky that it would not effect the imbalance . maybe?? or am i barking up the wrong tree?

also the glue theory seems to me to be wrong because if you play the dvd staight after putting on the sticky then you go to thr end of the dvd (last few chapters) then it still seems to freeze and the dvd hasnt time to get hot. any ideas??

[skebenin]

Putting the label on before burning is likely to make a bad burn. Balance is very important for playback, but it is absolutely critical when burning.

Imagine it like a lathe. If you turn something, then make it out of balance, it'll shake all over the place during use. If you make it out of balance before you turn it, it'll shake all over while you're trying to carve it, and whatever you make will be really badly gouged up. Not a perfect (or even good) analogy, but I think it illustrates the point well.

[bigmac]

thank you skebenin you gave me the answer i was looking for , i wiil take your advice and not burn with a sticky on. any way i can add the sticky without destroying my dvd?

[Captain315]

I have to disagree on the heat and imbalance theories as they are based on supposition and faulty logic.

I've personally run test on dvds and over a long period of time and neither of these theories are valid. I've attached quarter, half and three quarter labels, even doubled their thickness (weight) and after a year and a half, they still play fine. Therefore, it can be assumed that the "dynamic balance" of a dvd is not a contributing factor to the problem.

As for the heat (warping) theory. I've also tested that theory by heating them with a hair dryer to the point of becoming uncomfortable in my hand. I've heated the whole surface or just portions and have let them cool gradually and instantly by immersion in water. None of the dvds ever failed after completing one of these tests.

The problem with dvds and labels has spawned many wild theories but when tested, are not valid. The problem exist for some people and not with others (myself included) so it's not a simple matter of heat or imbalance. If that were the case, everyone would have the same problem and labels would not be used.

Maybe someone will discover why it happens but for now, just take a chance on it or only buy the printable dvds.

Regards -

[johns0]

As for the heat (warping) theory. I've also tested that theory by heating them with a hair dryer to the point of becoming uncomfortable in my hand. I've heated the whole surface or just portions and have let them cool gradually and instantly by immersion in water. None of the dvds ever failed after completing one of these tests.

That testing isnt conclusive at all,its like saying you heated the back of a pinto and it didnt catch on fire therefore pintos tanks are safe.

[skebenin]

Absolutely right. You said it yourself - problems exist for some people and not for others.

You've almost invalidated yourself for testing because it doesn't sound like you're able to recreate the issue at all, no matter what you try. You have to be able to reproduce the issue before you can perform negative testing and disprove a hypothesis.

If another person's player doesn't hold a DVD as securely as yours does, their problems may very well be caused by imbalance issues. Similarly if their player's laser optics aren't up to the task, warping and distortions due to heat may cause issues. You've only proved that your player(s) can tolerate these conditions.