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  1. Member Blazey's Avatar
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    Hi all,

    A 1 hr 16 Min. AVI with 2 filters on the timesline (100% B&W and Median for noise reduction) is taking 40 hours to render on a P4 3.0 H/T with 512k. Is this outrageous or is this the way it is? I did a similiar file the other day and it only took 11 hours so I have no explanitation as to the difference. Spybot and AdAware come up clean so I'm stumped as to weather it's my machine or not.

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    outrageous!!! even 11 hours is outrageous !!!!

    Try without filters to check if it is the filters that slooooooows down.

    What are you encoding to? divx,dv,xvid,uncompressed or mpeg2 dvd?
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    Without filters is not much faster. I'm encoding to Mpeg2. All my other apps work fine, very fast, Photoshop 7 boots in less than 2 seconds. Sony says this is a problem for my PC manufacturer, so no help there either.
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    I would then frameserve to a FASTER mpeg2 encoder like mainconcept mpeg encoder, cinemacraft encoder basic using the debugmode frameserver.
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    This is the Main COncept enncoder. That's what is bundled with Vegas. BTW - If I DISABLE hyper threading in the bios it's cuts the render time a bit.
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    then it should be fast...if it is the latest "mainconcept mpeg2 encoder engine". You could try the standalone version and see if it is faster, demo available.
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    its not the encoder -- its the median filter , it is slower than dirt because it doing a huge amount of processing, it does a good job .. but......

    it is also not multi threaded , so HT or dual machines dont help it .. skip th median filter and use avisynth or v-dub before editing to clean ....

    also - unless a lot of resizing, do not use "best setting" as this will really slow things down .. good is really same as best except some further filter types used ONLY in resizing
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    I will give it a try! I just ran the PassMark performance test and the machine came up a 306.2 - not too shabby for only 512 ram. At least it's not my machine!

    Thanks all.
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  9. The MCE in Vegas sucks...you're better off, as Baldrick says, to frameserve it up to another program to render your video.

    FWIW, my render times dropped off a bit because my 512mb wouldn't push things through fast enough (it kept trying to use the hdd as a ram disk). Bumped it up to 1gb and things are a little smoother.
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    Originally Posted by Red96TA
    The MCE in Vegas sucks...you're better off, as Baldrick says, to frameserve it up to another program to render your video.

    FWIW, my render times dropped off a bit because my 512mb wouldn't push things through fast enough (it kept trying to use the hdd as a ram disk). Bumped it up to 1gb and things are a little smoother.
    Sucks how? Just speed wise or do you find there are other issues as well?
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  11. The prime issue I have with the built-in MCE is that it's pretty unstable. It crashes on renders over 20 minutes with a more complex timeline. When I frameserve to MCE, I don't get as many problems.

    On a more recent render, nothing could get the thing to render...I ended up having to render the whole thing back to DV Codec and replace the complex timeline with the rendered piece.
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    that us extremely rare (crashing with Vegas) , look through the Vegas or CC or DMM forums and you will be hard pressed to find anyone that had a similar problem ..

    i suggest you have a hardware or software issue outside vegas
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  13. I think it may be a hardware issue as well...in particular, my processor that 'survived' a frozen fan.
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    I have to agree with BJ_M - Never had Vegas crash or the MC plug in crash on any render.
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    i should have mentioned , you can use avisynth and v-dub filter in vegas, by using WAX plug-in ..

    several of the v-dub/avisynth filters have been ported to vegas also to work directly in vegas ..

    list here

    http://www.vasst.com/training/Vegasplugs.htm
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    Ok, I have some updates and questions here...

    When encoded in Vegas with the "good" setting instead of "best" and losing the Median filter 2 pass VBR encode time changed from 43 hours to 5 hours. That's a good thing. Video was decent, but there is a disturbing "motion lag" wherein you can almost see the previous frame in the current frame in high motion scenes. It dosen't look like an interlace issue to me.

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    I used Baldrick's suggestion and frameserved to TMPGEnc with the settings Lordsmuf suggests on his incredible site. Results were STUPENDOUS! 10 times better than the MC plug in and 1 hour faster! How can this be!!!! Vegas was SOOOOO expensive! I'm really pissed.

    Question: TMPGEnc's audio blows in comparison to the MC encoders audio. If I render the audio only from Vegas as an AC3 or Wav and then frameserve the video only to TMPGEnc will I be able to ReMux these together for authoring? MPEG2VCR wont accept the M2V files, right?
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    I'm not sure why you have those MCE problems, but if you create an AC3 file with Vegas you can multiplex it with the MPEG-2 video from TMPGEnc.

    TMPGEnc File menu -> MPEG Tools -> Simple Multiplex.

    But multiplexing isn't necessary for DVD authoring. Nearly all DVD authoring programs import elementary streams.
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  18. When I render, I usually do the video through frameserving (as an elementary video). When that's all finished, I come back and render all the audio into an AC3 file (after normalizing all the tracks). I let DVD-Lab do all the muxing and authoring. It's just easier than DVD-Architect2...I only bought the package for the AC3 filter. lol
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