Your opinion about this

[SatStorm]

Hi you post whores of the off topic section.

I want your opinion about this:

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=955979#955979

Let's get serius for once, ok?

[thayne]

No opinion here....

[SatStorm]

Yeah, like Cef from south park: "I don't touch this from 6 miles"

[flaninacupboard]

the K templates piss me off. i've tested them, they're crap. you get the same results by using DVD compliant setting with half D1 and a very heavy noise reduction filter. the top left of the screen says "vcdhelp, svcdhelp, dvdrhelp, videohelp." it doesn't say k-bollocks-help. it has no place here. we should have a bot that replies to any kvcd thread simply with their url. it causes too many arguments and has done for years. i'm simply amazed people even care anymore....

I support you locking that thread sat, that carreia guy and that pacheo guy are just spouting their same opinon dressed as indisputable fact over and over again. i hate to think of the poor people wasting their time with kvcd, buying a dvd player to support it, then in 2 years time not able to play any of their discs.

[thayne]

personally I have never thought much of kvcd's

SVCD, VCD, DVD and DivX are all I ever use...

[SatStorm]

My point isn't the Kwag templates....

My point is when someone call someone else that way, if a warning and a lock must be done instantly...

Also, if you agree with me that when you are on topic, you don't like reading stuff like that (stupid attacks, flames, spamming, etc). We have the off topic section to do fun (and flaming or being an ass is funny sometimes)...

[stiltman]

IMO, it should of stayed locked, as a didn't see anything informative after.

As to KVCD or the like, they never worked in my standalone. All I could get to play was a standard VCD. I did about 10 movies including home movies and that's about it. Soon as I got my DVD burner, I deleted all that stuff off the computer. XVid and the like, never even touched it...

[tekkieman]

Well, I read through the entire thread, and the only comment I feel I need to make is in reference to this statement...

The thing you have to realize about programmers is they normally don't know huge amounts about video. They worry too much about the science, but video is a mix of science and art.

Hopefully without starting an argument, I need to take some exception to that. I am a programmer. I do know something about video. And to be perfectly honest, I know the least about both than any programmer I work with.

The majority of the developers at my company have worked in the video industry for a minimum of ten years! Our CTO has several video related patents to his name. In general, I would challenge anyone to test any of our developers (except me, as I am the newbie here) on video art/science.

I am not going to say what lordsmurf said doesn't have ANY truth to it, because it does, I just took a little offense to the generalized moniker.
As I know this site stands behind the "prove what you say" philosophy, I would invite anyone interested in what we do to PM me their questions.

[SatStorm]

This really turns interesting...

I will actually learn from this... It seems that I see things the others don't see but I don't see the things anyone else sees....

So, I must be problematic...

[flaninacupboard]

well the only point i'd raise there is that someone who knows about PC video doesn't neccesarily know about TV style video. my father worked for the BBC for ~20 years doing all sorts of things from filming to editing (my uncle was an editor too, he did 2001 and a clockwork orange!) to duplication control. i was infuriated when i aksed him what the resolution of TV was, expeacting something like "800x600" and getting "about 500 lines". and going nuts when he said "but TV is compressed of course. so is radio." and i'm going "really?! what codec does radio use??" "codec?".
if you take a 3mhz video signal and put it on a disc as a 1440x1152 mpeg file, it will look shit. people who know nothing about the analogue video world will simply see the x figure, and not understand it's crappyness. this is actually related to the kvcd templates. they sugget noise reduction and their queer matrix. they both effectively reduce the optical resolution of your output. that point escapes them and they simply reply "no, it's 704x480, dumbass!".

I think that's the point lordsmurf was trying to make. if not, it's just my own weird point.

as for the thread status, i don't think vitualis should have unlocked it without asking you sat. but if baldrick is happy for the thread to stay open and people talk even more rubbish.....

[tekkieman]

well the only point i'd raise there is that someone who knows about PC video doesn't neccesarily know about TV style video. ....edited for brevity....I think that's the point lordsmurf was trying to make. if not, it's just my own weird point.

A true statement, just noone really likes to hear their profession bashed....

The developers here have backgrounds in both analog and digital video.

as for the thread status, i don't think vitualis should have unlocked it without asking you sat. but if baldrick is happy for the thread to stay open and people talk even more rubbish.....

Agreed, but if some of these people have such a problem with the way people here seem to feel about it, then maybe they need to keep their asses over at www.kvcd.sux or whatever it is. While this is a great place to express opinions, when it just gets down to pure arguing and name calling, it's time for it to end.

[northcat_8]

The thing you have to realize about programmers is they normally don't know huge amounts about video. They worry too much about the science, but video is a mix of science and art.

I do not think this was meant to be applied universally to every programmer. Smurf did say "normally"...I'm sure there are programmers who are video experts. Just because you may know of 5 dogs that can drive a car doesn't mean all dogs can drive cars

As far as the kvcd issue, I've never heard of it. I've actually only burned one VCD ever and I just did it, so I could say I've done one. I only produce DVDs.

Satstorm, having quickly skimmed the thread, I think as long as the thread is on topic then heated debate is alright. The flaming was minor. I see it kind of like the Naked Geek situation. The original statement came under heavy scrutiny and NG did not defend his media very well or very intelligently, and just resorted to name calling and superior knowledge to dismiss the arguements he couldn't answer completely. I see this in a similar manner. If kvcd is that good, and the templates are that great, then the creator shoud be able to defend his stance or materials effectively...which he did not.

Should the thread have been locked? Well that is subjective and doesn't really concern me either way....besides you're a moderator...those are your decisions to make...that's why they pay you the big bucks

[pacmania_2001]

Ban them all, ask questions later.

Oh wait... I can do that with my little red card button. :evilgeniussmiley:

[DereX888]

name calling should = ban, no exceptions, no warning.

Its like with violence - i.e. you cant really 'talk out' any criminal from doing whatever he do, you gotta respond in the way they would *feel* it, otherwise they'll think youre weak BS-talking sucker and they'd do you again.

as for locking the thread - like someone else said there: "why punish the others who joined that thread".

[fmctm1sw]

There was absolutely no call for the bash on Lordsmurf. And I'm not saying that just because he has 4000 posts or because it was a newbie that bashed him. It was easily in violation of the AUP. So warning = yes. As for the locking, I don't know. If I were a mod, I'd probably want the other mods to let me know that they were going to unlock something I locked. Just so it appeared we were all on the same page. Sorry, it's that "military" thing coming out in me again....

*edit* Aw crap... I posted in "Off Topic." Does this mean I'm a post whore now like Indolikaa and Northcat?

*edit* and Capmaster....

[Rookie64]

IMHO, if it's one or two people making personal attacks or bashing, while the rest of the thread is on topic, I'd vote for that one or two to be warned or banned...unless the thread itself has gone too far off from it's original intent, then it seems fair that thread be locked.
It all depends on the thread...since it varies in different situations.


I'm all for threads being locked that turn into political debates, flame wars or that get into character assassination or attacking someone's personal beliefs...where there's smoke, there's usually fire to follow...and those threads add nothing of any value or use. It's simply forum abuse and shouldn't be tolerated.


One of my pet peeves is when one person, out of a number of people posting to a thread, finds something to take offense to or have issue with, and that one person will deliberately make comments or try anything they can to get the thread locked.
In my opinion that person is out of line and deserves to be banned (not even warned)...especially when that person is prone to be offended by almost anything and does this repeatedly.
Unfortunately, I've seen this happen a few times and the person doing it never gets a warning at all - just results in the thread getting locked, and that's exactly what the person's intent was.
Giving a trouble maker what they want just doesn't seem fair in my opinion.

If that person had a problem with a topic, there's the complaints thread they can address the problem to in the feedback forum...or they can PM a mod about it or even make a seperate thread expressing their opinion about a certain subject that offends them.
Being disruptive within a thread (especially when no one else finds the topic offensive) shouldn't be tolerated - even if it is a regular objecting (and I'm not referring to comments made in jest or sarcasm...Im talking real disrupted outbursts)


Anyway, that's just my opinion and how I'd handle it if it were up to me...since you asked

[SatStorm]

Thank you all for your answers.

What I realise now, is that I see things different than the majority here, so that may explains why the majority here find my behavor bad or strange at times all over the years.

Thank you again for your answers

[Will Hay]

My opinion?

Threads are locked too easy nowadays, and people are given absolutely no warnings for things far worse here.
You were right to lock the thread Sat, but perhaps virtualis felt the discussion was worthwhile and shouldn't be lost for the sake of one idiot.

There does seem to be a worrying culture now of more and more banning, and the worrying thing is there is no real cohesion or uniformity in these bans.

For instance, one moderator may feel a ban is in order, and every other moderator may appreciate that that person was wound up to such an extent that he over-reacted and just needed a quiet word.

I remember using too much foul language one particular fortnight and receved a PM from a moderator asking me to tone it down.
From that day forward I've restrained myself and whilst use the occasional expletive to emphasise a point I do watch what I say.
I have nothing but respect for that particular moderator (as I do virtually all moderators) and he handled that issue prefectly.

It would appear now that the culture is to issue yellows without using common sense

I can see why you're pissed Satstorm, but you know virtualis well enough to know his intentions were decent
Perhaps he missed the reason you locked it

My opinion?

Perhaps a PM from a moderator to another moderator advising the thread is to be unlocked might be a good move.

Keep at it Satstorm, your contribution to this site is appreciated by most of us and I will never, ever understand why you get the shit you do
Will Hay
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England 4 Greece 1

[fmctm1sw]

What I realise now, is that I see things different than the majority here,

What? That is unacceptable! You must conform to what everyone else thinks at once. I want a formal warning issued to Satstorm for "non-compliance." Hmmm, this makes me wonder, has a mod ever been warned? Or better yet banned?

[Will Hay]

What I realise now, is that I see things different than the majority here,

What? That is unacceptable! You must conform to what everyone else thinks at once. I want a formal warning issued to Satstorm for "non-compliance." Hmmm, this makes me wonder, has a mod ever been warned? Or better yet banned?

I suppose KingJohn was the closest to that.
Will

[fmctm1sw]

What I realise now, is that I see things different than the majority here,

What? That is unacceptable! You must conform to what everyone else thinks at once. I want a formal warning issued to Satstorm for "non-compliance." Hmmm, this makes me wonder, has a mod ever been warned? Or better yet banned?

I suppose KingJohn was the closest to that.
Will

Oh yeah... How soon we forget...

[Will Hay]

What I realise now, is that I see things different than the majority here,

What? That is unacceptable! You must conform to what everyone else thinks at once. I want a formal warning issued to Satstorm for "non-compliance." Hmmm, this makes me wonder, has a mod ever been warned? Or better yet banned?

I suppose KingJohn was the closest to that.
Will

Oh yeah... How soon we forget...

...the first and last
Will Hay, twat

[SatStorm]

King John (banned) and - believe it or not - Sefy (warning)....

[Cobra]

When a thread is no longer offering anything informative, and is simply causing disruption in a forum that is not off-topic, it should be either locked or a mod should take out the users causing problems.

Is it not possible to red-card a user for a couple of days - can they still recieve and send PMs when banned?

As for idle threats, name-calling or otherwise disruptive behaviour: I think users should be double-yellowed or banned outright forever or for 48 hours or so, depending on the severity.

You're doing a fine job, SatStorm!

Cobra

[vitualis]

You rightly warned that user, but just because there are a few "troublesome" members on a thread does not automatically mean that a thread should be locked.

KVCD is an XVCD variant and it was not so long ago that the bulk of the discussion on this forum was on various forms of XVCD.

I felt that the thread was still "on-topic" and there is nothing particularly wrong with a heated discussion on an XVCD-variant.

IMHO, threads should only be locked if they (i) are "against the rules" (e.g., warez, politics, religion, etc., (ii) has most degenerated into a flame war and has gone "mad". In addition, I think a mod should avoid locking a thread in which they have done a lot of personal "combatting" as it is hard to be objective. Leave that decision to someone else.

No hard feelings SatStorm.

Best regards.

[SatStorm]

Hi,
no, no hard feeling at all!

I don't have a problem that you unlocked that threat. You had reasons and I'm not the one to doubt them.

The problem is at me. I have a different approach on anything and as a member, that wasn't a problem. I know why I have this different approach
But as a Mod, I have to see the average view. This is what I'm doing here.

They point me here things I didn't expect and they don't see the things I expected them to see. So, there are no things to see the first place. It was all in my mind.

Why I'm doing this overall?
One of my hobbies, is something called "international behavour observation". You know, observate and learn other cultures, differences, approaches, etc. It is one of the reasons I'm still in this forum.
You can do this if you visit foreigner places and see the things there first place. I don't have this opportunity (and I probably never have...), so I have to "invent" alternatives. Satellite TV reception and international forums are the best alternatives I have for now.
One day, I might be on politics, and especially international politics. Collecting infos that way, is a step for understanding stuff, you are not aware of.

For example, the most difficult thing for a non American, is that "Political Correct" thing. If you don't visit the USA, don't talk to the Americans and don't read their history regarding this, it is impossible to understand about it. And as I already said, understanding foreigner issues from a distance is just a hobby of mine....

I learned a lot - beyond video - in this forum regarding those things, nobody care to learn about...

[Will Hay]

I learned a lot - beyond video - in this forum regarding those things, nobody care to learn about...

I learned a lot too, but only things like 'dude' and 'how are you man?' which I hate myself for
Bastard yanks on this forum
Will

[fmctm1sw]

Is it not possible to red-card a user for a couple of days - can they still recieve and send PMs when banned?

As for idle threats, name-calling or otherwise disruptive behaviour: I think users should be double-yellowed or banned outright forever or for 48 hours or so, depending on the severity.

You're doing a fine job, SatStorm!

Cobra

I've often thought about that. A "penalty box" so to speak. I guess it wouldn't prevent anyone from just using a new user name though...

[Will Hay]

Is it not possible to red-card a user for a couple of days - can they still recieve and send PMs when banned?

As for idle threats, name-calling or otherwise disruptive behaviour: I think users should be double-yellowed or banned outright forever or for 48 hours or so, depending on the severity.

You're doing a fine job, SatStorm!

Cobra

I've often thought about that. A "penalty box" so to speak. I guess it wouldn't prevent anyone from just using a new user name though...

I think Baldrick mentioned the code to implement a temp. ban would be too difficult to introduce.
I suggested a temp ban of 24 hrs with the threat of a yellow if the user posts in the 24 hr period.
I thought that was a good idea
Will

[DVD_Ripper]

IMHO, if it's one or two people making personal attacks or bashing, while the rest of the thread is on topic, I'd vote for that one or two to be warned or banned...unless the thread itself has gone too far off from it's original intent, then it seems fair that thread be locked.
It all depends on the thread...since it varies in different situations.

I agree... when I stared my VCD knowledge set 2 yrs ago and my DVD knowledge about 7 months ago I came hear to 'read up' on all the threads I could about various 'things' I was unsure of. The one thing I noticed is that when people would make valid post specific comments they could easily be bashed by others just because those people wanted some personal vengence regarding something. It detracted from the thread and made the forum seem juvinile (sp).