Nero recode2 - What player to use

[paxromana]

Did 1st Nero recode DVD to mp4.

None of my players would play it. Only Nero Showtime would.

Can I install filters so other players can play, or is this Nero mp4 proprietary?

I got such excellent results, and job was done so fast, I would like to use Nero to transcode all my stuff.

Are there any other big proprietary issues in using Nero recode2 which would prevent my transcoding Nero recode files using other encoders down the line such as TMPGENC?

I'm guessing the guy who invented DVDshrink created Recode2?

[jtoolman2000]

Nero Recode to MPG 4 = Play on Nero Show Time!!!!!!!

That's it so far. Use Dr. Divx if you still insist on backing up movies to CD.

Nero Recode is great if you hcve a Laptop and you need a few movies to watch while you are traveling. Other than that, I now back up all my large DVD collection to DVD-R. Drives are super cheap now and DVD blanks are about $26-$65 per 100 on line. I saw CDs at my local store for about $25-$35 per 100 local - Not much diference. I know that CDs can be had cheaper online as well but it just doesn't make much sense any more to spend an hour and sometimes more creating a divx or Nero MP4 bqckup when I can rip / transcode ( if needed ) and burn to 8x media in less than 35-40 minutes for most movie only backups. Granted that if you have to analize and apply filters, it will take longer. Still nothing beats a 1:1 copy of a movie only file. Should be as good as the original. With very few exceptions, you can't say that for a 700mb MP4.

[paxromana]

Thanks for the link toolman. I guess I looked in the wrong place for info on Nero recode.

I mostly use DVDR's also, but I was really impressed at the ease of Recode converting to MPEG4.

Just trying to evaluate how much this Nero MP4 is different from DivX/Xvid.

Sure seems MUCH faster.

[ntngod]

If you can't get it to play in other DirectShow players, try installing the 3ivx filters: http://www.3ivx.com/download/index.html

It's just an MPEG-4 variant; I usually playback my Nero Digital encodes in MediaPlayerClassic.
I've even played my Nero Digital encodes back just fine on my DVP-642. However, I have to use AC3 or MP3 for the audio, not the AAC Nero uses by default, since the DVP-642 can't handle AAC.

[gastorgrab]

If you can't get it to play in other DirectShow players, try installing the 3ivx filters: http://www.3ivx.com/download/index.html

It's just an MPEG-4 variant; I usually playback my Nero Digital encodes in MediaPlayerClassic.
I've even played my Nero Digital encodes back just fine on my DVP-642. However, I have to use AC3 or MP3 for the audio, not the AAC Nero uses by default, since the DVP-642 can't handle AAC.

3ivX does the video just fine but it has trouble with Nero's HE-AAC. Install 3ivX AND Core AAC decoder!

Since Core AAC is based on FAAD, and FAAD is updated by submission from Ahead Software, it does decode HE-AAC. You'll need to set the config in 3ivX to "Allow Unsupported Decoders". CoreAAC normally has a higher filter priority than 3ivX's AAC decoder.

This also allows Media Player Classic to play Nero Digital's AAC.
(Install Core AAC and disable MPC's built in AAC decoder)

Good to know about the DVP-642, i just ordered one! What else works for an audio stream, MP2, MP3?

[jwaxman]

I've even played my Nero Digital encodes back just fine on my DVP-642. However, I have to use AC3 or MP3 for the audio, not the AAC Nero uses by default, since the DVP-642 can't handle AAC.

How do you get Recode to encode audio in something other than AAC? I can't find the setting anywhere.

[ntngod]

Good to know about the DVP-642, i just ordered one! What else works for an audio stream, MP2, MP3?

MP3 and AC3 for sure.

I'm not sure about MP2. Since the DVP-642 can handle SVCD, I don't see why not.

Of course, for compatibilty, you have to avoid GMC and QPEL when encoding the video, just as you would with XviD or DivX.

How do you get Recode to encode audio in something other than AAC? I can't find the setting anywhere.

With the current versions of Recode, you can't.

You can only tell Recode to NOT encode any audio, and then mux an MP3 or AC3 file into an MP4 container afterwards using something like MP4Box or MP4UI.

[paxromana]

[quote="ntngod"]If you can't get it to play in other DirectShow players, try installing the 3ivx filters: http://www.3ivx.com/download/index.html

Thanks ntngod.......and gastorgrab.....

3ivx and Media Player Classic was precisely what I needed.

[ofbarea]

DivX 5.2.1 can decode MP4 but DivX player has not been able to play a Nero recode movie I did.

[CobraPilot]

Hidden deep within Nero Recode (under "Burn Settings/Codec/Advanced" when "expert mode" is selected) is the option to encode to QuickTime compatibility. Using that option, a Nero MP4 will play with Apple's QuickTime v 6.3 and v 6.5, based on my experience.

The QuickTime option indicates it's "simple profile" MP4. There also seems to be an "advanced simple profile," which may be Nero's default. ("Simple' and "advanced" are mentioned in the "playable discs" information in the owner's manual for a Philips DVP 642/37 DVD player.)

The comment about Nero-created MP4s and AAC audio being incompatible with the DVP 642 may explain why none of my Nero MP4s will play in my brand-new unit. Thanks for the insight! Now, if I can learn how to encode without the audio and put the two back together again . . . .

Question for the MP4 gurus: Is there any required special "layout" of files on an MP4 disc, or is the simple presence of an MP4 file on a "disc -at-once" finalized CDR all that's needed to play in a compatible standalone player? (Such a simple layout plays fine on a PC.)

The reason I ask is that VCDs, SVCDs, and DVDs have specific files and folders that must be present for a player to recognize the format, and I wondered if the same was true for MP4s?

[ntngod]

The comment about Nero-created MP4s and AAC audio being incompatible with the DVP 642 may explain why none of my Nero MP4s will play in my brand-new unit. Thanks for the insight! Now, if I can learn how to encode without the audio and put the two back together again . . . .

Question for the MP4 gurus: Is there any required special "layout" of files on an MP4 disc, or is the simple presence of an MP4 file on a "disc -at-once" finalized CDR all that's needed to play in a compatible standalone player? (Such a simple layout plays fine on a PC.)

The easiest way would be to use MP4UI to mux the audio and video.

Encode the audio into MP3 first using your favorite MP3 encoder.

Fire up Recode, select your video, and in the audio tab, select NONE.

If you're trying to fit on 1 CD, under FIT TO TARGET, select the CUSTOM setting and enter in (SIZE OF CD - SIZE OF MP3).
Encode the video using your preferred settings.

Once complete, open up MP4UI and create a new .MP4 file.
Add the audio first, then the video.

When you save and exit, MP4UI will optimize the new file.


To burn, you just make a regular ISO data disc with the .MP4; it's just the same as using .AVIs in that regard.

[gastorgrab]

I just did an experiment with my DVP-642 where i just dumped a bunch of media files on a RW disc.

Though the aspect ratio is all screwed up, it looks as if ANY mpeg will play on this thing. MP4's play video only, and AVI's with MPEG-4 video all play.

Low bit rate encoded files show up blocky but still, WOW!

I can confirm that AC3 audio within AVI's work well.

Does it do Multichannel MPEG (Hypercube Transcoder output)?

[cosmichippo]

[quote="ntngod"][quote="CobraPilot"]The comment about Nero-created MP4s and AAC audio being incompatible with the DVP 642 may explain why none of my Nero MP4s will play in my brand-new unit. Thanks for the insight! Now, if I can learn how to encode without the audio and put the two back together again . . . .

The easiest way would be to use MP4UI to mux the audio and video.

Encode the audio into MP3 first using your favorite MP3 encoder.

Fire up Recode, select your video, and in the audio tab, select NONE.

If you're trying to fit on 1 CD, under FIT TO TARGET, select the CUSTOM setting and enter in (SIZE OF CD - SIZE OF MP3).
Encode the video using your preferred settings.

Once complete, open up MP4UI and create a new .MP4 file.
Add the audio first, then the video.

When you save and exit, MP4UI will optimize the new file.>>



How do you add the audio FIRST? All that MP4Ui will seem to let me open to begin with is MP4'S then add the audio but I always end up with an error and the MP4 is corrupted and I have to reencode it. It happened twice but now I have a copy. Didn't realise that it would not back up while remuxing.

Is there something that I am doing wrong or is there another app that will put my Nero Dig MP4 and MP3 audio back together in an avi?

Thanks,
Mike

[ntngod]

How do you add the audio FIRST? All that MP4Ui will seem to let me open to begin with is MP4'S then add the audio but I always end up with an error and the MP4 is corrupted and I have to reencode it.

Don't try to re-use the existing MP4 video file to start with.

Click NEW/OPEN and specify where you want (and name) a new, empty MP4.
The program will ask if you want to create the new MP4 and you answer yes.

THEN hit import to add the audio file
THEN import the MP4 video file

and exit...

[ntngod]

is there another app that will put my Nero Dig MP4 and MP3 audio back together in an avi?

If the above steps fail, you can dump everything into a regular AVI.

Open your Nero Digital MP4 with MP4UI.

Select the video track, hit EXPORT, and choose where you want to extract the video AVI.

Now you can use your preferred muxing program (VirtualDub or whatever) to combine the audio and video into a new AVI.

[cosmichippo]

If the above steps fail, you can dump everything into a regular AVI.

Open your Nero Digital MP4 with MP4UI.

Select the video track, hit EXPORT, and choose where you want to extract the video AVI.

Now you can use your preferred muxing program (VirtualDub or whatever) to combine the audio and video into a new AVI.

Forgive me for being an idiot but how do you remux in VDub? I have looked around for the steps in a guide here but haven't found a clear stepby step to do so.

Also do I still need to open the video portion in MP4UI to do this? MP4UI is what doesn't seem to like my video file.

I guess what I need are clear instructions on how to mux them into an AVI.

Thanks again,
Mike

[ntngod]

Also do I still need to open the video portion in MP4UI to do this? MP4UI is what doesn't seem to like my video file.

It would be the EASIEST way; there still isn't a ton of GUIs for the MP4 container at this early stage of the game.

If you don't mind using a commandline utility, grab GPAC MP4Box (an older binary is available here: http://www.rarewares.org/mp4.html ).

Unzip, and dump a copy of the EXE into the folder where your MP4 file is.
From the commandline (START -> RUN -> type in CMD), go to the folder where your video file is.

First, you need to know the TRACKID of the video stream in the MP4.
Type in (and replacing FILENAME with the real name of your file, of course):
MP4Box -info FILENAME.mp4

You'll get a bunch of information, but you're looking for the video TRACK ID (media type will be 'vide'). A test MP4 I just opened (that had sound and other things) had a TRACKID of 201 for the video, for example.

Once you've got the video stream's TRACKID, you can extract it easily to .AVI now.
The following line should do the trick (replace FILENAME with the name of your file, and the TRACKID with the number you recieved in the above step):

MP4Box -avi TrackID FILENAME.mp4

This will extract the video stream to an AVI that has the same name as the original MP4.

[ntngod]

Forgive me for being an idiot but how do you remux in VDub? I have looked around for the steps in a guide here but haven't found a clear stepby step to do so.

Open the video stream AVI in VirtualDub or VirtualDubMod.

Under STREAMS, select STREAM LIST.
Hit the ADD button and locate your MP3 file.
Once it is added to the stream list, hit OK to close.


Under FILE, choose SAVE AS.

Towards the bottom of the box that pops up, there is a VIDEO section where you'll see a dropdown list next to video mode. Choose DIRECT STREAM COPY.

Select a new name and location for the soon-to-be remuxed AVI and hit SAVE.

A status box will appear, and the remuxing will take a few minutes to complete.