LaserDisk Capturing?

[wulf109]

Couple of questions:
I read somewhere laserdisk resolution is 528x480?
Laserdisk limit is 400 lines of resolution?
What would best resolution be capturing?
Best bitrate,DVD's are normally 6000 average at 500 lines,would 4800 average capture the full quality?

[lordsmurf]

You're confusing analog "lines" measurements with digital "resolution" info.

[gshelley61]

Also, MPEG2 bitrate and resolution are two different measures.

You should capture laserdiscs at full D1 (720x480 NTSC, 720x576 PAL) resolution. The bitrate will depend on the length of time you want to record/transfer to DVD and a couple of other factors.

[DivadX]

I have used the suggested resolutions and bit rates from Lord Smurf's site with great results. I use 720 X 480 with 6-8mbps VBR for LD.

You should go read the section "Resolution suggestions for various sources" under the "Deciding on a Capture Resolution" link on his site.

However, if you use IE, I suggest you go into security settings and disable copy/paste operations via script cuz he uses this cheezy "content protection" that pastes empty strings to your clipboard like every 200 milliseconds and will crash your browser over time and even disable your abiltiy to copy/paste between other apps while you have his site open.

[pbanders]

I get excellent results capturing LD to DV with my ADS Pyro A/V Link. For DVD output, I use TMPGenc to transcode (max bitrate to fit the movie to a single DVD-R) the AVI to MPEG-2 w/VBR 2-pass. The transcoding takes a fairly long time, but the results are worth it.

[lordsmurf]

However, if you use IE, I suggest you go into security settings and disable copy/paste operations via script cuz he uses this cheezy "content protection" that pastes empty strings to your clipboard like every 200 milliseconds and will crash your browser over time and even disable your abiltiy to copy/paste between other apps while you have his site open.

That's been disabled. If you still see it on any pages, let me know.

[K4S3RYN]

Gshelley61, how on earth did u get those cpas frmo Blade Runner looking so good? I not too long ago picked up a Pioneer 2950 LD player thinking that LD's would be the best source for archiving material unavailable on dvd.. but have found the discs so far to be pretty full of artefacts like worming etc. Is it down to the quality of the player or is there just a huge amount of quality variation in discs.. the one i particularly have in mind at the moment is Peter gabriels CV which i guess would be old as far as these things go.

[gshelley61]

The players do vary as well as the discs themselves. Some discs look much better than others... CAV laserdiscs pretty much always have better PQ than CLV versions do. Keep in mind that LD's can also degrade as they age... rot noise, etc.

I have a Pioneer CLD-D704, which is probably the best non-Elite laserdisc player ever made. It has built-in variable DNR for Y and C noise reduction, which helps. I used to have a CLD-D604, and the PQ was not nearly as good as with the 704. The "worm" noise is being suppressed by the JVC DR-M10SL during recording. And that's with the image being sharpened and enhanced with a Sima SCC (which increases the noise a bit more).

The JVC DVD recorder does a great job of reducing video noise prior to encoding, without overdoing it and softening the picture too much. Since those caps were done, I've been experimenting with different inputs and settings to figure out what method delivers the best overall results.

[K4S3RYN]

I havent heard of that model before.. i had thought that [this side of the pond anyway] the 925 was the best player, but i'm pretty sure that doesn't have any of the dnr circuitry u describe either.. what did/would u pay for that model? I didnt know the CAV/CLV thing mattered, but then with the discs i'm trying to convert there wont be a choice of version anyway.

I read the post about the JVC recorder and must say i'm very tempted.. for anything around an hour to an huor and half or even near two it sounds a great bundle of hardware for getting the best out of a picture.. the only thing that would stop me is the prospect of recorders like this in dual layer versions.. but at their current prices these are great value anyway.. and i spose blue disc stuff isnt far off anyway. Is there any difference in the SL/without SL model numbers?



cheers

Kas

[lordsmurf]

DRM10 .... S/SL/SUS ... nothing special.

My book, box, and unit all have different numbers.

[DereX888]

DivadX wrote:
However, if you use IE, I suggest you go into security settings and disable copy/paste operations via script cuz he uses this cheezy "content protection" that pastes empty strings to your clipboard like every 200 milliseconds and will crash your browser over time and even disable your abiltiy to copy/paste between other apps while you have his site open.

That's been disabled. If you still see it on any pages, let me know.

my my...
what a naughty smurf

[gshelley61]

I havent heard of that model before.. i had thought that [this side of the pond anyway] the 925 was the best player, but i'm pretty sure that doesn't have any of the dnr circuitry u describe either.. what did/would u pay for that model? I didnt know the CAV/CLV thing mattered, but then with the discs i'm trying to convert there wont be a choice of version anyway.

I read the post about the JVC recorder and must say i'm very tempted.. for anything around an hour to an huor and half or even near two it sounds a great bundle of hardware for getting the best out of a picture.. the only thing that would stop me is the prospect of recorders like this in dual layer versions.. but at their current prices these are great value anyway.. and i spose blue disc stuff isnt far off anyway. Is there any difference in the SL/without SL model numbers?



cheers

Kas

Yeah, I'm pretty sure there is a PAL/NTSC version of the CLD-D704... check out this very useful laserdisc site for more info:

http://www.laserdiscarchive.co.uk/

My CLD-D704 cost me about $200 on eBay.

The JVC DR-M10(S/SL) is the one to beat, IMHO. I've been recording laserdiscs a bit over two hours long on to one DVD-RW/-R, and they look great. And if you play them back on the JVC, they get some MPEG noise reduction filtering which makes them look even better.

Dual layer media is scarce and expensive right now. Dual layer burning results have been mixed so far, too. Blue-Ray is really still in early development (read: expensive). I think you'll get at least a few years of enjoyment out of the JVC before something better and less expensive comes along.

[K4S3RYN]

Aye its tempting.. but i don't think they'll be too long cranking up the dual layer, the dvdr5 stuff is nearly maxed anyway.. blue ray and the likes are stamped for next summer by most manu's. I've looked around laserarchive quite a bit in the past and from all ive read the 925 was the best goin in PAL, at least dual system wise.. which i do need as some rare discs never saw a PAL release.. if you know an equivalent for the 704 here i'd be glad to know about it.. $200 is a pittance for that quality.. it even has a tbc! I really like the sound of the JVC and will probably get it for the sub 2 hour stuff and use the capcard for anything longer [JVC must really own for capping tv episodes and the like] ..

cheers

[K4S3RYN]

The 925 still looking the best thing i can get PAL wise.. heres one for eg:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=381&item=5708108073&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW



Whats that Sima box u use mate.. is the adjustment all automatic or manual? Better getting one of these or a TBC 1000 ?

[gshelley61]

Brand new in the box... nice! Anyway, I have the manual type Sima SCC Pro Color Correcter (not the more expensive digital model). It works OK if you don't overdo the "enhancement". Takes a bit of practice, trial and error to get used to adjusting it, too. I'd suggest always recording to DVD-RW, check your results first on a couple of different DVD players and display types, then edit and burn to the final DVD-R when you are satisfied.

The TBC-1000 is a very robust time base corrector/frame sync for prosumer use. I don't think it has any color, contrast, sharpening, etc. adjustments. There is the AV Toolbox AVT-8710, which is a small but very good TBC that also has image enhancement controls. Neither of these is inexpensive, but are certainly higher quality than Sima products.

[K4S3RYN]

Yeah does look nice eh lol Hmmnn.. in this case.. i'd go for one of the TBC's.. as i have the colour and sharpness controls on the capture card [acedvio] .. definitely need to get me one of them jvc's too

cheers

Kas