Memorex DVD-R & DVD+R 50 packs @ BEst Buy $39.99

[fslove]

Best Buy has 50 packs of both Memorex DVD-R's & DVD+R's on sale for a great $39.99 price. It is only available on their website but if you have a store local you can pick it up their. I picked up a 50 pack today myself.

[bengsj]

I did a media rate search and found that this type (ProdiscS03) is very unrliable which is the one I got from Best Buy last week (and returnded today). I didn't even try them once I saw the rating. Hope yours ain't the same. just to let you know there was other Memorex media that had just as bad ratings too. You might want to check for yourself.

[fslove]

I only get the DVD-R's (not sure which you are speaking of) and have had 100% perfect burns and playback on over 1000 of these DVD-R's.

[naturalzinc]

ugg, piss on memorex and whoever is selling them

[nufan292]

Verbatim -r are the same price, plus there is a 10% off coupon floating around. I would trust that more so than memorex.

[Madz]

I'd get some but w/ my luck they would be CMC. :P

[noki]

why pay $40 for a 50-pack of Memorex DVD-R's (ProDisc I assume) when you can buy a 100-pack of ProDisc DVD-R (4x) for $42 at supermediastore.com? 2 buck for an extra 50 blanks is a pretty good deal, yes

[fslove]

ugg, piss on memorex and whoever is selling them

If you don't have anything contructive to say then keep you damn mouth shut!

[fslove]

I would be curious as to what equipment all these people who have problems with Memorex have. Maybe you all have the bare minimum to burn DVD's or your burners just have very little tolerances for many various DVD-R's.

As I have said I have had a 100% perfect record burning (and me or someone else watching) of well over 1000 Memorex DVD-R's (whether it be CMC or Prodisc). I use a Sony DRU-500a on a P4 2.67GHz, 512MB RAMBUS RAM system.

And no, I have had none of the afterburn deterioration that other Memorex haters claim to have experienced. Maybe their burners are miscalibrated applying to much heat that is bad on certain DVD-R's.

I think it all boils down to anyone who makes blanket statements on any certain brand being always bad (or the simp-minded who just say they suck with no explaination of why) is someone who has little grasp of computers and the large variables involved when combining various software and hardware.

To say you have always had problems with brand X is fine as it may be true with your SW & HW setup but that does not mean you can make a statement that someone should not buy brand X because you have had problems and incinuate that the product is bad.

[lordsmurf]

fslove, it's more complex than that. www.nomorecoasters.com

[fslove]

Exactly! It IS more complicated then people think which is why making blanket statements about disc manufactureres is wrong. The manufacturers of DVD-R's are given QC guidelines by the different brand sellers like Memorex, TDk etc... which also adds to the fact that saying a disc manufacturers quality is uniformed accross the board which is flat out wrong also.

The link you gave me is to a site, has no scientific model that is given as to how they attain their findings except for the word of some of the author's piers and others which is hardly scientific. If their findings were correct then it would be hard to explain why quite a lot of people (myself included) can get 100% correct burns and playback on over 1000 burns with Memorex CMC's for example. I still contend that one person's setup may indeed garner horrible results with Memorex CMC's yet another's would be the exact opposite. There just to many difference from computer to computer to make a one size fits all statement. If people like the Memorex prices I would advise them to buy a few and test them out. If all is well then buy, burn and be happy.

[naturalzinc]

blanket statements my ass. my computer is fine, its five years old (granted, this would be like 70 years old in human years) but it can probably do all the shit yours can do, if not better. you dont need a p4 2.8 or 5216546542 MB RAM to burn DVDs, in fact it wont really help @ all, except for maybe better multi-tasking. drive firmware is about the only thing that matters on "HW/SW" issue. mine is up to date

CMCs are crap, im sorry, its a fact get used to it. and memorex uses a high % of CMC media. i know cuz i've had the unpleasant experience of using em.

the main point is that they are unpredictable. i can "successfully burn" all CMCs. hell, i can even get good quality/speed/read tests on, lets just say, half of em. but the other half might end up being unreadable and or have quality tests w/ huge spikes in them (assuming u know what these are?). that unpredictability makes them unworthy of my time and money. simple

it would be hard to explain why quite a lot of people (myself included) can get 100% correct burns and playback on over 1000 burns with Memorex CMC's for example.

it also seems the majority opinion is that CMC are shit (which means little to me), rather than the media ID of choice.

[naturalzinc]

fsolve peep this thread

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=225221

u seem to be one of the ppl who think their hardware/drive/setup is capable of making pressed DVDs out of hamburger patties!

[DVD_Ripper]

Watch Out.... Memorex has been using CMC on occassion for their disks (read: trash)... I bought some six months ago -- they were PRODISC S03's... (according to Lordsmurf they are just 'ok')

The SO's all burned 100% but now I am noticing some occasional read errors and freezing.

Buy the best... FUJI, APPLE and MAXELL. (and some other mfg's when they have outsourced to a good mfg) IMO

[lordsmurf]

The link you gave me is to a site, has no scientific model that is given as to how they attain their findings except for the word of some of the author's piers and others which is hardly scientific. If their findings were correct then it would be hard to explain why quite a lot of people (myself included) can get 100% correct burns and playback on over 1000 burns with Memorex CMC's for example. I still contend that one person's setup may indeed garner horrible results with Memorex CMC's yet another's would be the exact opposite. There just to many difference from computer to computer to make a one size fits all statement. If people like the Memorex prices I would advise them to buy a few and test them out. If all is well then buy, burn and be happy.

- Science and theory are useless. Practice and experience matter most in video.
- That's my site, with years of actual DVD burning experience (since the tech came out in 2001), from a handful of knowledgeable people that have burned 10's of thousands of discs at minimum. Probably much higher since last count, likely in 6-digit ranges now.
- The reason you may get better experience on CMC is luck and firmware. Your firmware is more understanding of CMC (though watch out, as it will now mean others have been stricken from your good-list, although they'll likely be PRINCO or LD which is no big loss). But your luck on getting good batches is also good.
- You cannot deny the facts that literally THOUSANDS of people have issue with CMC, so much that MEMOREX has recently put a PUBLIC APOLOGY on its website concerning its DVD media.
- Your buying advice is TOTALLY INADVISABLE. Why? Most stores refuse to take back media that has been burned. If you see CMC and are not a person willing to gamble away money, then take them back UNBURNT.
- Your CMC results should be verified both by playing the DVD and by running through verification. BOTH.

[kcfoulk]

To say you have always had problems with brand X is fine as it may be true with your SW & HW setup but that does not mean you can make a statement that someone should not buy brand X because you have had problems and incinuate that the product is bad.

Don't waste your time here with your argument, and you're better off spending some time learning the latest info on media at the following place:

http://forum.cdfreaks.com/forumdisplay.php?f=33

If CMC is really so bad, I guess both Mitsubishi Chemical/Verbatim and TDK are committing corporate suicide by outsourcing their media production to CMC. All "made in Taiwan" DVD media from Verbatim and TDK (except that TDK's DVD±RW discs are still made by Ritek) are now made by CMC no matter what Mfr ID on the discs. (Of course there may still be some old batches made by other manufacturers such as Ritek on the market, but the new ones are all from CMC.)

[lordsmurf]

All "made in Taiwan" DVD media from Verbatim and TDK (except that TDK's DVD±RW discs are still made by Ritek) are now made by CMC no matter what Mfr ID on the discs.

I don't think that's a statement that you can prove.

While the CMC plant is where these Verbatim/TDK discs are made ... the materials and machinery used to make them may still be MCC and TDK ... as the CMC issues do not seem to exist on these MCC/TDK medias.

CMC materials, machinery and workmanship is obviously flawed when a major company like Memorex has to apologize for their shoddy products.

Now, the single most important factor of blank media is how they are made and with what, not the location where it's done. You can stick an MCC press in my garage, but it'll still be MCC media and MCC quality.

We don't know what's going on here. I've not seen any of the companies comment on these details.

This is why NakedGeek got his butt lambasted here some months back. He had AN32 media and expected us to all believe it was superior to all other media, when in fact AN32 materials and methods are some of the worst in the blank industry. It does not matter where's it's made or who puts their pretty stamp on the disc, the actual materials and craftmanship determine your product. QC is also important.

Disturbed1 can probably add to this conversation.

[disturbed1]

The only problem I've found with the Taiwan Verbatim 4x DVD-Rs, is the lower quality at 8x burning and my last 150 had a problem past 4.2gig.

I did just get another 100 2 days ago, also 4x Verbatim printable, made in Taiwan. Besides the top 4 in each cake being unusable, along with the bottom 2, this order didn't have any issues with 8x burning, nor problems past the 4.2gig mark. I can't really blame Verbatim for the top 4/bottom 2 issue, this could very well be a warehouse storage and shipping problem.


IMO, this is all a bunch of bullshit. These media companies need to be slapped upside the head for putting forth substandard quality product. The only reason most of us have any luck in burning "good" discs is due to the advancement in recording lasers. Which is a good thing, but instead of the disc makers also forwarding the quality, they are more concerned with quantity.


CMC discs burn great with my NEC. I'd venture to say, just as good as TY and Maxell. The problem is, I also have 10 other burners that puke on CMC media.

I could blame the burner for a poor quality laser, or poorly writen firmware. But they are flawless with Maxell, Taiyo Yuden, and Prodisc (for the most part ).


Like Lord Smurf stated, CMC is contracted to make Verbatim and TDK discs. One thing though, the TDK 2x discs are lower quality. This is evident by both of us (You and I Lordsmurf ) not being able to burn these 2x discs in our A03's.

CMC would surely not screw up a huge account like Verbatim and TDK. With memorex, you get what you pay for. Memorex has always been a cheaper alternative to media, when compared to Maxell, TDK, Fuji. Ever since blank audio and video tapes. The three above where always considered top of the line, and memorex somewhere inbetween.

[lordsmurf]

One thing though, the TDK 2x discs are lower quality. This is evident by both of us (You and I Lordsmurf ) not being able to burn these 2x discs in our A03's.

I almost forgot about that. It's been 7 months or more since I gave my drive to a nearby family member.

I blamed that mostly on the 103 laser/firmware. All my tests (and others from those I deal with) not on the 103 have shown TDK to be one of the best, but like you said, lower quality than several others at least. Still pukes a few, but nothing as bad as RITEK and CMC and PRINCO.

Speaking of the 103, I went over not too long ago. That thing loved PRODISCS03 media. I was shocked.

[disturbed1]

Speaking of the 103, I went over not too long ago. That thing loved PRODISCS03 media. I was shocked.

Mine too. Gives better results at 2x with Prodisc, compared to my A05s and my NEC at both 4x and 2x.


I could never give away, nor sell my A03. Paid too much for it. Plus I use it every day, since it works nicely with Maestro, and Sony's DVDGEN for the PS2.

[fslove]

blanket statements my ass. my computer is fine, its five years old (granted, this would be like 70 years old in human years) but it can probably do all the shit yours can do, if not better.

This statement shows your ignorance of computer technology! 5 year old computer so it is wjhat a P2 or P3 and here you are saying your system is capable of doing eveything my P4 can do and more. I like to see your system play high def files back (.ts or WM9 and see how well it stack up to a P4.

[lordsmurf]

blanket statements my ass. my computer is fine, its five years old (granted, this would be like 70 years old in human years) but it can probably do all the shit yours can do, if not better.

This statement shows your ignorance of computer technology! 5 year old computer so it is wjhat a P2 or P3 and here you are saying your system is capable of doing eveything my P4 can do and more. I like to see your system play high def files back (.ts or WM9 and see how well it stack up to a P4.

In 1999, five years ago, would have been an upper-end Pentium III, near the end of it's age cycle. Depending on the graphics card, yes, it could easily play hi-def or WMV9.

[fslove]

- Science and theory are useless. Practice and experience matter most in video.
- That's my site, with years of actual DVD burning experience (since the tech came out in 2001), from a handful of knowledgeable people that have burned 10's of thousands of discs at minimum. Probably much higher since last count, likely in 6-digit ranges now.
- The reason you may get better experience on CMC is luck and firmware. Your firmware is more understanding of CMC (though watch out, as it will now mean others have been stricken from your good-list, although they'll likely be PRINCO or LD which is no big loss). But your luck on getting good batches is also good.
- You cannot deny the facts that literally THOUSANDS of people have issue with CMC, so much that MEMOREX has recently put a PUBLIC APOLOGY on its website concerning its DVD media.
- Your buying advice is TOTALLY INADVISABLE. Why? Most stores refuse to take back media that has been burned. If you see CMC and are not a person willing to gamble away money, then take them back UNBURNT.
- Your CMC results should be verified both by playing the DVD and by running through verification. BOTH.

lordsmurf,
You have made my point! That may be your site and you and some of your piers have made numerous burns but you have not used every conceivable computer setup or even a large cross section of computer setups to verify the results compared to yours. Even you have admitted above that I may indeed have a HW/SW setup that has no problems with CMC which is my whole point! Even if everyone else in the world has problems with burning CMC and I had the 100% sucess rate why should I change a 100% prefect record to accomadate everyone else?

I don't deny the fact that 1000's may endeed have problems with CMC BUT that is a mere slight percentage of maybe 1% compared to vast majority of us having no problems. You think all these brands would continue using CMC if 100% (or even a high percentage) of them were bad? These corporations would not stay in business long with that type of business sense.

My buying advice is to buy a few discs NOT buy 25 or 50 packs. If you have the money to have a DVD burner it should NOT be a problem to come up with maybe $6 to test a brand that if they work for you can save you a lot of money in the future.

I beleive the Memorex apology was for their DVD+R's not the -R's which is what I use exclusively. In fact let me be sure everyone understands that when I talk about this subject I am talking about the -R format only as that is all I use.

[fslove]

blanket statements my ass. my computer is fine, its five years old (granted, this would be like 70 years old in human years) but it can probably do all the shit yours can do, if not better.

This statement shows your ignorance of computer technology! 5 year old computer so it is wjhat a P2 or P3 and here you are saying your system is capable of doing eveything my P4 can do and more. I like to see your system play high def files back (.ts or WM9 and see how well it stack up to a P4.

In 1999, five years ago, would have been an upper-end Pentium III, near the end of it's age cycle. Depending on the graphics card, yes, it could easily play hi-def or WMV9.

I'm sorry but there is NO WAY IN HELL a P3 is going to play a high def WM9 or .ts file unless your definition of "play" is a slide show of one frame or so a second!

lordsmurf,

If you truely work in the video business you should know better then to make statements like you did in regards to high def file playback!

[lordsmurf]

Hate to disappoint you, but I've got a PIII here that'll play the T2 WMV HiDef just fine, using an older ATI card.

The Memorex statement was blanket.

While you will find good times with CMC, just understand that's a very small minority. Even PRINCO lovers eventually got the shaft. Many CMC lovers have gotten it too. It's not a stable product. use it while it works, great... but be aware this may not last. For many, it never even started.

[fslove]

Hate to disappoint you, but I've got a PIII here that'll play the T2 WMV HiDef just fine, using an older ATI card.

Well with this statement I have no respect for your expertise (or your website) in any area of computer technology! Even trying to BS a PIII with a high end card is a major stretch but to say a PIII with a "older" ATI card is rediculous!

[lordsmurf]

Hate to disappoint you, but I've got a PIII here that'll play the T2 WMV HiDef just fine, using an older ATI card.

Well with this statement I have no respect for your expertise (or your website) in any area of computer technology! Even trying to BS a PIII with a high end card is a major stretch but to say a PIII with a "older" ATI card is rediculous!

Radeon technology has been around for years now. The old 128 cards were quite good too. Call it what you will, but it's hard to dispute what I see on the monitor. There's a lot of AGP cards from 4-5 years ago that are okay at playback. Playing is easy compared to creation.

[Mark_Venture]

- Your CMC results should be verified both by playing the DVD and by running through verification. BOTH.

Exactly. After the success with Memorex +R 4x discs (happen to be RICOHJPNR01) I have purchased, a friend went and got a pack when they were on sale.

His pack of Memorex +R 4x happen to be CMC MAG F01. When burning, he always has "verify" checked. While these discs burned and "verified" succesfully according to his burning software, they do not play in my DVD players, and I get CRC errors trying to copy data off of them in ALL of my PCs.

After trying to play the movies he has burned in his DVD players, he too has problems with them.

[fslove]

Radeon technology has been around for years now. The old 128 cards were quite good too. Call it what you will, but it's hard to dispute what I see on the monitor. There's a lot of AGP cards from 4-5 years ago that are okay at playback. Playing is easy compared to creation.

I'm sorry but you don't seem to understand that decoding high def (720p 1080i, or 1080p) WM9 or .ts files has very little to do with the video card and almost everything to do with the CPU/RAM. Displaying a 1080p video signal is not any big deal with modern video card, it's the decoding that takes the major CPU horsepower and the reason why a P III with any video card will NEVER play these HD files as anything more then a slideshow.

[disturbed1]

Radeon technology has been around for years now. The old 128 cards were quite good too. Call it what you will, but it's hard to dispute what I see on the monitor. There's a lot of AGP cards from 4-5 years ago that are okay at playback. Playing is easy compared to creation.

I'm sorry but you don't seem to understand that decoding high def (720p 1080i, or 1080p) WM9 or .ts files has very little to do with the video card and almost everything to do with the CPU/RAM. Displaying a 1080p video signal is not any big deal with modern video card, it's the decoding that takes the major CPU horsepower and the reason why a P III with any video card will NEVER play these HD files as anything more then a slideshow.

My P4 1500 with 1.5gb of RDRAM plays the 1080P files at 1.5-2.2 FPS, but it starts out nicely around 7FPS (still green screen ). My dual PIII600 shows nothing, average of 0.0 FPS, PIII 1.0gig shows the last 1-2 frames, that's it.

My P4 does fare much better than my AMD 1333, and my Celeron 1700 though. I didn't try my Celeron 1000, or my other AMD/PIII systems.