Max kbps with DivX/Xvid for DVDrips

[mgh]

What is the kbps above which it would be stupid to encode DVD rips to DivX/Xvid? I see some vids on the net using 1000 kbps and above and I think it is a waste of internet bandwidth! I think that with proper encoding-max of 800 kbps would be enough.
Am looking for answers from Gurus on this forum!
Want to tell the *******s doing that how wrong they are!!
Pl. help!!

[teegee420]

I try and use more than 1000kbps every single time. I don't think I would go over 1400kbps. Anything under 900 is just silly. By the way, who are the *******'s in question? If they think using 500-800kbps is good than more power too 'em. They obviously have a different perception of quality than I do.

[Cobra]

I hate it when I see video that could have had an extra 100MB spent on it and turn out looking good, as opposed to something that's had less bitrate than it needed and looks like crap.

I also hate seeing people who rush the encode and it turns out really badly for the bitrate allocated. I'm usually OK at 900kbps but I still see artifacts like stepping on lines under certain lighting.

Still, it's not my problem - let them do it badly if they like. I aim for 3 or 4 films per DVD, and I usually manage to have them between 1,200 and 1,600kbps. I do agree with you, teegee, above 1400kbps is wasteful but I'm not going to get another film on the DVD so why not?

mgh - if you can get DVD-quality (or reasonably close to) video @ 800kbps then please let us know how you do it!

Thanks,

Cobra

(Edited due to keyboard misspelling things.... Honest!)

[mgh]

Thanx guys-I do agree that even with slow moving scenes 1000 kbps is the min needed to avoid artifacts. I see that even on my 15" PC screen.
I am talking of videos encoded at 640 width or smaller uploaded on the net-many higher than 1500 kbps-also Indeo (of all the codecs )encoded at 6000 kbps!! I think that with DivX such vids should not exceed 800 kbps-as they are meant for PC viewing
You can reduce kbps requirement without apparent loss of quality as follows
1. Reduce color saturation to the level where you feel colors are fading or depth perception is reducing-go back halfway (a tip from Microsoft somewhere-to keep saturation levels as low as possible)
2. Reduce YUV contrast. A little trickier-best way is to take a scene where a face is both lit and in shade. Reduce till you see some details in the darker parts- it should be a mild tweak -not below -30 in TMPGEnc-with avisynth tweak filter not below 0.85.
First one has max effect on kbps, second one has a smaller effect.
If you don't like what you see after adjustments-reduce the adjustments to half. The above can reduce kbps needed to avoid artifacts upto a max 25 %-generally at least 10 %

My opinion !!