Bitrate problem in TMPGEnc DVD.

[dvdragon]

Is their any way to get aroung the bitrate limitation problem in TMPGEnc DVD?

"The current bitrate is video: 9800kpbs, audio: 384kbps, combined: 10184.

The combined video and audio bitrate can be no more than 9.848Mbps (9848kpbs)."

I have already taken the .ac3 file from 448kbps to 384kbps. This has only happened with clips I hvae pulled from certain DVD's like Terminator 2 and Star Wars: The Clone Wars.

Can I get around this or should I try another program?

Thanks for anyone who was suggestions.

[tonofsteel]

Its not the program thats causing you this problem its how you are encoding it. I do not use TMPGENC but all encoders have settings for max bitrade. Are you using CBR or VBR multipass, or just VBR? You should make sure that you set it up so that the combined max audio bitrate and encoding bit rate do not exceed the maximum.

If you are using bitratecalc off of this site i noticed that i get those errors too, so you can manually adjust the max bit rate yourself but doing a simple calculation.

I have encoded many movies and burnt them and they did have that error, and i have not encountered any problems playing them on my sony DVD player, however some players may not like that the bit rate goes over.

As well if you are using variable bit rate, the maximum only means that if the encoder needs a ton of bitrate for a scence that it will limit it to that max, it does not necissarily mean that you will ever hit the max. I may have been lucky so far in that the videos i have been encoding never hit the max therefore getting out of the DVD standard max bitrate

[jimmalenko]

You can't go over 10.08Mbits with DVD. period. No Questions asked.

You're gonna have to re-encode audio or video or both.

[tonofsteel]

jimmalenko,

Thats what I was saying, mabye I never said it right. But why does the bitratecalc off of this site give you bitrates that will exceed the DVD standard's maximum bitrate?

[dvdragon]

" I do not use TMPGENC but all encoders have settings for max bitrade."

I have been using DVD Shrink to rip the .VOB file, then Rejig to split it into .mv2 and .ac3.

[dvdragon]

"You're gonna have to re-encode audio or video or both."

I don't want to transcode the .ac3 any lower. So what is the best way to reencode the .m2v file?

Thanks for helping.

[jimmalenko]

...Why does the bitratecalc off of this site give you bitrates that will exceed the DVD standard's maximum bitrate?

Are you correctly setting the audio bitrate as well ? any subtitles ? All of these count. Are you using the Calculated bitrate or the DVD max bitrate ?

I have never been given a value that is too high.

I think the problem is between your desk and your chair

[jimmalenko]

I don't want to transcode the .ac3 any lower. So what is the best way to reencode the .m2v file?

For starters, press the Quote button next to the person's post who you want to quote. leave the {quote="jimmalenko"] bit and also the [/quote] bit and edit any insignificant drivel in the middle. Preview it to make sure you have got it right.

Now...

IMO the easiest way to edit a M2V is in TMPGEnc. Load your file in, load the correct DVD profile, Load the unlock template and change the bitrate values. Press OK to all the dialog boxes, Choose a different output file name and away you go.

[tonofsteel]

I think the problem is between your desk and your chair

I dont mean to be rude, but so far out of 10 postings only mabye 2 have had replys, and mabye 1 out of 10 of my questions on this site have had any kind of informational response. And even though the problem may be me if some people would answer my questions I would not have to be labled that way. So so far the problem has been noone on this forum gives a shit. And I would not be bothered by this, but when I do actually come out with a legitimate question and noone replys, and I scroll down and see 10 replys to "how do i burn a DVD", and noone says RTFM, it really is irritating.

I have read a couple dozen guides on encoding, and NO i do not have subtitles, and NO i do not have a menu, and NO i do not have any extras. I have AC3 audio, which i understand is what the bitrate calc calculates for. And my DVD is only made up of the video and audio that I encode using the bitrate guidlines set out by the bitratecalc.

As well I have never had that error come up with authoring programs until i started using TMPGEnc DVD author.

I am using the CCE encoder, with 4 pass multipass VBR. And i set the max and avg according to bitrate calc and get the error that i am passing the upper limit for bitrate for the DVD standard

[jimmalenko]

so far the problem has been noone on this forum gives a shit

...and why should we ? Everyone here donates their time for free. Be thankful you get any replies at all because no-one owes you anything.

Don't forget to drink a glass and a half of STFU

Give me your audio bitrate and the duration of the movie and I'll tell you what bitrate to use.

[tonofsteel]

Haha yea thats the typical response. So far I have figured most stuff out one my own. And I dont expect anyone to give a shit. And if you want me to drink whatever amount of STFU I will. And I will stop trying to help other people since you suggested thats what I should do.

I came here looking for knowledge on the subject. And through the numerous guides and a few people willing to understand and help I think this is quite possibly the best forum I have been to.

And I dont need you to calculate anything because I have read enough guides and understand enough now that I can figure it out myself (thank you DVDR Help)

And so since you missed the whole point I was making. I try to give whatever knowledge I may have, be it good or not. And when I get told to shut the **** up, AFTER I have read all of the info I could, and tried everthing I could, and some guy goes and says "How do i burn a DVD" and gets numerous replies, that is just unfair. Why, because when I try to ask a half ass intelligent question that may be described shadily at best in all guids I get shut the **** up.

And anyways I dont care who replies, if they do or not, or whatever. This site is great, I was just making a comment IMHO, so take it with a grain of salt.......

[dvdragon]

IMO the easiest way to edit a M2V is in TMPGEnc. Load your file in, load the correct DVD profile, Load the unlock template and change the bitrate values. Press OK to all the dialog boxes, Choose a different output file name and away you go.

Thanks I'll try that.

[jimmalenko]

I can hear a violin playing...

So far I have figured most stuff out one my own.

Good for you. That is what this site is all about. It provides you with the resources to teach yourself. Well done.

And I will stop trying to help other people since you suggested thats what I should do.

Please quote me, I can't seem to find where I said that.

And I dont need you to calculate anything because I have read enough guides and understand enough now that I can figure it out myself (thank you DVDR Help)

Well, apparently not. That's why you fooked up the bitrates in the first place, yes ?

Take that chip off your shoulder and we'll get along just fine...

[tonofsteel]

Take that chip off your shoulder and we'll get along just fine...

You are right and i apologize. I am just frustrated with how things have been working out with encoding as of late, and mabye noone can answer my question because it is so specific to the program/application.

tonofsteel wrote:
And I dont need you to calculate anything because I have read enough guides and understand enough now that I can figure it out myself (thank you DVDR Help)

Well, apparently not. That's why you fooked up the bitrates in the first place, yes ?

And I am not joking, I use GSpot to get the file info, then plug it into bitratecalc, and when I use TMPGENC DVD Author to author my dvd I get the bitrate is too high error.

For example. .AVI file with length of 01:53:45, 170,622 frames. AC3 bitrate of 224. After using bitratecalc i get Avg bitrate for encoding the m2v file of 5133, and the max as 9570.

I encode, throw both files at TMPGEnc DVD Author, and I get that error. I am encoding using 4 pass VBR. And I have no menus or subtitles on that DVD.......

[jimmalenko]

No beef here mate.

Stick at it and Video/DVD can be very rewarding.

It is probably overkill to go to a max of 9570. You could quite easily bump it back to 9000 and you won't notice the difference, I guarantee.

Probably not a bad thing to try if you have the time ?

[bugster]

I encode, throw both files at TMPGEnc DVD Author, and I get that error. I am encoding using 4 pass VBR. And I have no menus or subtitles on that DVD.......

Hmmm, 4 pass VBR, you must be using CCE to encode. And I would guess you are setting the 'DVD compliant' tick box too.

It seems that when encoding mpeg-2 in CCE with this flag set, CCE sets the info in the mpeg header to say that the bitrate of the file is 9.8Mbps. This value is used irrespective of the actual bitrate in the encode or the max value set in the encoding parameters. This is also the value used by TmpGenc DVDA whn checking the bitrate of the m2v file. Add the audio bitrate and multiplexing overhead and possibly a minor miscaculation by TDVDA and you get the warning you mention. Note that it is a warning, not an error. You CAN dismiss it and continue anyway.

Whatt I suggest. Open your m2v file in bitrate viewre, the free version will do. Check the max and average bitrates. If they are within DVD spec, just ignore the warning and author anyway.

[tonofsteel]

CCE sets the info in the mpeg header to say that the bitrate of the file is 9.8Mbps. This value is used irrespective of the actual bitrate in the encode or the max value set in the encoding parameters

Ah then that would explain my DVD's still working, since its only an error caused by CCE telling a white lie. I am going to have to check out that bitrate viewer, and mabye even bump back the max bitrate.

Thanks for the info!