Burning VCD

[pfmboidi]

Hi, today i burned my first vcd, so i can play it on my dvd player.
now, it took for eeeever to burn it with Nero, since it had to encode it.
What i want to know, is there a faster way to encode (AVI) and burn it?

[teegee420]

You can still use Nero to burn but you will need to use a real mpeg encoder like Canopus Procoder, Mainconcept MPEG Encoder or TMPGEnc to create a VCD compliant file.

[andyp1]

Yes I would say TMPGenc for a neewbie.

[pfmboidi]

How is that when using tmpgenc i select vcd, pal, 4:3, no options and i get a 2343.6Mb file,when the avi is only 713mb?

[teegee420]

How long is your avi?

[pfmboidi]

1h25m

[pfmboidi]

J:\[DivX - ITA] Koda fratello orso.avi 696 MB Audio Visual Interleave (AVI) xvid XviD 576 x 336 (1.714 : 1) 1008 kb/s 23.976 FPS 01h 25m 06s mpeglayer3 (mp3) (0x0055) ISO/MPEG 128 kb/s CBR 44100 Hz

[teegee420]

My guess is that your avi has VBR audio. You need to decompress it to wav and use the wav as your audio source in TMPGEnc.

[pfmboidi]

J:\[DivX - ITA] Koda fratello orso.avi 696 MB Audio Visual Interleave (AVI) xvid XviD 576 x 336 (1.714 : 1) 1008 kb/s 23.976 FPS 01h 25m 06s mpeglayer3 (mp3) (0x0055) ISO/MPEG 128 kb/s CBR 44100 Hz


this is according to gspot

isnt the audio cbr? and isn't it mp3?

[teegee420]

You're right, it's CBR mp3. Very strange that your file turned out so huge. I think maybe this can be attributed to TMPGEnc's lack of fondness for the native xvid decoder. Install FFDSHOW and try encoding again with TMPGEnc. This is just a theory so I can offer no guarantees.

[pfmboidi]

i will try that, in the meanwhile i have tried to encode from avi to mpeg with no audio, but i got when i read remaining time: 3hours something... how long does this process usually take to you?

[pfmboidi]

nothing...it does not matter what avi i use, i end up with a 2gb output!!!

[teegee420]

That looks about right for your computer specs. For that long of a film it would only be a little faster on my machine. You might try changing the motion search precission to "normal" in the setting window. That will speed it up a bit. The emphasis on "a bit", nothing dramatic. Make sure you install FFDSHOW first before beginning encoding with TMPGEnc. Just to be safe, you should also decompress your avi audio to wav in Virtualdub. Just open your movie with it, go to "audio" and select "full processing mode", go th "file" and select "save wav". Then use the wav file as your audio source when encoding with TMPGEnc. Good luck.

[pfmboidi]

you know what, i'll just use nero...!
i wanted a little more speed but it does not seem like tmpgenc will help me! Thank you anyways for your help!

[teegee420]

You're welcome. Don't blame TMPGEnc for your problems though. There are plenty of people before you who were able to complete this task successfully.

[andyp1]

Before you give up on TMPGenc just make sure you follow this to the letter and try one more time. You can always cancel it if it goes wrong.

1 Open TMPGenc
2 Its a NTSC 23.976fps so I suggest you select VideoCD NTSC ( most DVDPlayers cope with NTSC ok and it wil prevent jerkiness of the final output) Click NEXT
3 Select your Video File and click Next
4 Click Source range , click set start frame , move slider to around 1h15mins and click select end frame. Click OK
5Click other settings , click Advanced , where it says Full Screen click on the drop down menu and select Full Screen (keep aspect ratio), click OK , then click next.
6 Now you should see where it says CD-R 74min , click the drop down menu and select CD-R 80min the blue line should now be showing at around 75min on the scale. If this is ok click NEXT.
7 Click Browse to save your mpg somewhere and cl.ick OK


TMPG will now start encoding. Then you repeat the process for the remainder of the film except you move the slider and set the start point at 1h15min and move to end and set end frame and create the second mpg that way.

Please try it and let me know if if doesnt work as I said.




Output file should be around 10MB per minute so the first part should show around 750MB and the second part around 10 mins should be around 100MB.
The original AVI is (i've forgotten now) around 700MB - The MPG in total for a VCD should be about 850MB for a 1h25min movie.

[jimmalenko]

Try this.

[pfmboidi]

Before you give up on TMPGenc just make sure you follow this to the letter and try one more time. You can always cancel it if it goes wrong.

1 Open TMPGenc
2 Its a NTSC 23.976fps so I suggest you select VideoCD NTSC ( most DVDPlayers cope with NTSC ok and it wil prevent jerkiness of the final output) Click NEXT
3 Select your Video File and click Next
4 Click Source range , click set start frame , move slider to around 1h15mins and click select end frame. Click OK
5Click other settings , click Advanced , where it says Full Screen click on the drop down menu and select Full Screen (keep aspect ratio), click OK , then click next.
6 Now you should see where it says CD-R 74min , click the drop down menu and select CD-R 80min the blue line should now be showing at around 75min on the scale. If this is ok click NEXT.
7 Click Browse to save your mpg somewhere and cl.ick OK


TMPG will now start encoding. Then you repeat the process for the remainder of the film except you move the slider and set the start point at 1h15min and move to end and set end frame and create the second mpg that way.

Please try it and let me know if if doesnt work as I said.




Output file should be around 10MB per minute so the first part should show around 750MB and the second part around 10 mins should be around 100MB.
The original AVI is (i've forgotten now) around 700MB - The MPG in total for a VCD should be about 850MB for a 1h25min movie.

andy...? you know what? i love you! it does work! it got to around 700mb file! Cool, i am now encoding it, it will take forever...! i think i will use the other computer on the lan to encode it...
Is there a way to cut some mb to fit the rest of the movie that is left out after 1h15?

[andyp1]

andy...? you know what? i love you!

I hope your a good looking woman

Right , You can get in theory 80mins of videoCD on a 700MB CD-R

Your movie is 85min 6 secs long so if you want to get it on 1 disc you need to cut 5mins 6 secs. You can set your start point after all the lead in to the movie end set your end point just as the titles start at the end . Now wether you can lose 5 mins depends on how much you are prepared to lose.

Commercial VideoCD movies normally come on 2 discs , I would tend if the movie is over 80mins and less than 160 mins to split it in half approximately to get half the movie on each disc. That saves going too near the edge of the disc.

As for encoding time If your PC details are up to date , I would expect TMPGenc to encode 1 hour of AVI to mpeg1 in between 1 and 2 hours .

[pfmboidi]

sorry, good lokking guy...

i think that i got the basics now. I will work on 2cds...
the encoding time seems right...its now at 67% and 50 minutes.

I can now try to walk on my own feet. Thank you!

[andyp1]

Glad to help.

[jimmalenko]

That's all well and good if you want to use 2 CDs. It seems pointless to me to only have 5 minutes on the second disc. Try the guide here to fit onto 1 CD. Note that this will create an XVCD and your player will need to be able to play them for this to work.

[pfmboidi]

How do i know if my dvd plauyer reads xvcds? I just have to try, huh?
thank god i'm using a RW!
I have a problem with the movie: after the encoding, i play it on the dvd player and there is no audio anymore... the mpeg does not have audio...the avi does, what's up with that?

[andyp1]

Have a look at my reply HERE

and see if that helps. Thats the usual problem for no sound after conversion.

[Craig Tucker]

How do i know if my dvd plauyer reads xvcds?

https://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers

[pfmboidi]

fixed audio thing

it seems that my dvd player would read xvcd. I will try later on this week, i will let you know! thank you very very much for your good help

[andyp1]

pfmboidi I agree with jamalenko to a degree that xvcd is good way to go to save discs and you don't have to get up and change the disc in the middle of a movie.
I have never made an xvcd yet and i'll have a go later using his guide just for the hell of it to see how it goes.

My reservations are that they are great for personal use but what hapens when I want to show my friends or family some footage and none of there players will play xvcd, also , dvd/vcd players have a life, It might not be easy finding a replacement machine that will play xvcd.
So then what , re-encode hours and hours of footage.
Obviously without the quality of the original source.

Don't get me wrong I think the idea is good just don't know if it's futureproof. But is anything these days.

[pfmboidi]

i think that it would be good for the use i make of divx: download, watch, delete. If i want to see it again, i will download it again, or rent the dvd, given that if would be watch it again i might have liked the movie.
Xvcd in a watch once and throw away "style" would be very good, since i would put it on a RW and fit it all.
BUT, I don't even know if it works! Thank you for the advise though! As of now I am starting so, I will do some VCDs first, then i'll see what to do!

[andyp1]

Just as the email notification came in , Tmpgenc just pinged , I have just tried making an xvcd ( good guide jamalenko by the way - Thanks ).

I used a film which is in Xvid 1H 43Mins long. I thought I would be fairly extreme . Bitrate for video is 842Kps and audio is 192Kps.

It plays on my PC and the quality is I would say surprisingly good at first glance.

File size is 778M so it should happily fit on one cd-r .

I will keep you informed as to how the burn goes and how it looks on my TV.

[andyp1]

Well picture quality is pretty good , I couldn't tell the difference from a vcd and the xvcd. This is on 32" widescreen.

Plays perfectly on Mustek ( play anything I throw at it ) V520 search works perfectly.
Plays on Philips DVDR75 which I was quite surprised about although search causes freeze up. So could put in and play but couldn't mess with it.
Aiwa DVD HiFi wouldn't play it.
2 out of 3 ain't bad.